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im not an american, but isnt there a thing called gun safety? where u put ur finger off the trigger when nobody evil is around?
idunno tho, only heard about it in a video about resident evil or something.
I’m not either but yeah, it’s called “trigger discipline”
As stated in the meme, though, a member of the IOF would be trained to see children as dangerous military targets to shoot on sight.
hmm… how would a child be a dangerous military target? is the thinking maybe:
the enemies might put children there so that the place doesnt get attacked, so we specifically train our soldiers to shoot children so that that doesnt work anymore
? otherwise im having difficulties imagining any way how thos would sorta make strategic sense.
They aren’t. It’s gallows humor about how the IOF keep murdering children with impunity and never admitting wrongdoing.
It doesn’t make strategic sense, it’s a horrific war crime, and most other nations would be in uproar if their military did it ONCE.
For the IOF, though, child murder is just another inconsequential part of the routine slaughter they commit every day.
It doesn’t. There’s no justification for it.
You know that the post is about a guy who is not American right?
What does it matter that you’re not American?
They think Americans know more about gun safety than they do.
Yeah, the US isn’t the only place with gun users and enthusiasts. It’s just the place with the biggest problem of people thinking they need guns and people refusing to regulate guns. So a bunch of extra people end up with guns, but I’m sure many of those people don’t know what trigger discipline is, anyway.
oh its just cuz like - i dont own a gun so i got no clue about gun safety beyond this trigger discipline thing. nothin else.
Dude was just happy for his streak
Fuck anyone who willingly joins law enforcement or the military
I was raised in a conservative christian family in the midwest US and I joined the marines at 18 so I can also confirm fuck anyone that willingly joins the military or law enforcement. Luckily I was never deployed anywhere or useful for anything militarily and it was a big wake up call type experience for me
I sympathize for anyone who gets forced to be in the military. It must suck to have to do that.
But how will the law be upheld if there is no one enforcing it? Clearly there are communities without the capacity to police themselves.
Oh, no darling, we only have room for infantile absolute positions here on Lemmy, so I’m afraid what you actually just said was that you’re glad the idf are committing a genocide and you think the police should shoot more black people.
Silly you!
we only have room for infantile absolute positions here on Lemmy
Let us be the change that differentiates lemmy from other massive forums. The darkness may be deep, but we do not step into it alone, comrade!
when watching this with a conscience, it’s impossible not to think of the many Palestinian parents who’ll never see their kids again, and of the many Palestinian kids who’ll never see their parents again.
fuck this scumbag and his ilk. may all zionists die in pain.
I vaguely remember a story about Israeli hostages that escaped from captivity, and the IDF soldiers lit them up. They just love to kill. Women, children. Medics, journalists. Young American activists, flattened with a bulldozer
The hostages were even shirtless, to make sure that the IDF knew they weren’t threats. They can’t even say that they thought the hostages were Hamas; they thought they were Palestinian civilians.
Don’t forget that the IDF literally partially arose from far-right militia, those being Irgun and Lehi.
The pre-IDF forces killed a Dutch Jew (Jacob Israël de Haan) who was critical of Zionism. The perpetator, Tehomi, was left scot-free and was involved in illegal activities. May he rot in the nothingness.
But that said, what this teaches is that it is the more reason to stand unified: whether someone is a Jew or Israeli or not, does not matter: all that matters is that we stand for humanity and criticise hatred together. Is it not then the stronger, when an Israeli does speak out against their own people repressing Palestinians? Should not all be comrades in arms against hatred and discrimination?
heyhi dear chloé 🥕, how do u doooo? ~
yesyes evil shooting peeps - do not like. will not have a tea with.
hiiiii maria!! ^w^
this is um. a bit awkward. but i’m fine, just very angry at the people who carry out and support this genocide. what’s worse is i feel powerless to stop them…
i hope you’re going well too 😅
oh yea nonono this is obviously very bad and stuff and bad people doing bad things opposing bad things onto not-bad people, no question.
im doing pretty good, thank u for asking <3
may all israelis die in pain.
Nah I don’t think all Israelis are genocidal maniacs. Just, uhm, remove the the Zionists and that’s it, no need to profile people based on factors they can’t control, which is exactly what the IDF are doing in Palestine.
Nah I don’t think all Israelis are genocidal maniacs
Only 80%+ as per every poll asking their opinion on whether the IDF should continue to commit genocide.
So I guess somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of Israelis AREN’T fucking monsters.
I don’t tend to judge people based on nationality alone (since that’s by definition bigotry in almost all cases)and I don’t agree that they should all DIE, but when you’re part of a population that so overwhelmingly support some of the worst and most thoroughly documented crimes against humanity in history, you’re a monster until you prove otherwise by explicitly opposing it.
you’re right, there’s certainly some people born in israel who are good and resist their government. my comment isn’t aimed at them. and i wish the same suffering onto non-israelis who support and finance this genocide.
i’ve changed my comment to reflect what i mean better
Wow, a person accepting criticism and changing their ways. Truly a breath of fresh air in the toxic shithole most of the internet is.
I disagree with the decision of taking the criticism, and not so sure I can even accept it. Mind you my position may be considered extreme.
How do you not blame the populace for the failings of a so-called democracy? Same thing in USA. Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.
Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.
Right, why would that justify making the claim that every voter in a “democracy” is a fascist? (I’m aware you already said that not all voters are pro-Trump, but @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone’s comment said that every Israeli deserves to die, which is the part that I disagreed with) There are certainly good people in every country of the world, and making any kind of generalization that makes it look like the majority’s opinion is the opinion of the entire populace is disingenuous and dangerous.
Point taken. Thank you for explaining.
OK but let’s dig into the semantics of this. Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about “all men being dangerous?” How about “All republicans are fascist?” Surely not all Republicans; hell, George Conway has built a new media career as a non-trump republican. Or can we agree that browbeating people for not accounting for granular differences when discussing broad trends in a casual setting is kinda dickish? Also per jpost 90% of Israelis consider themselves Zionist; I’m sure the 10% aren’t going to quibble at generalizations.
Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about “all men being dangerous?”
Yes, a man didn’t choose to be a man. A republican sure did choose to be a republican, which is a, to put it lightly, dubious choice in this day and age, but I still wouldn’t say all of them are fascist.
Saying that all Israelis should die a painful death is still kinda crazy, and I don’t think it’s “dickish” to point that out.
If you had a building with 1000 evil people, and 1 good person, is it ok to destroy it? I don’t know the answer to that, but I wouldn’t be able to do it personally. Seems like a variant of the trolley problem.
OK but like, I hardly believe any well-meaning Israeli couldn’t tell the difference from your initial statement. The person who incited this response made the exact same argument that assholes make about “not all men”
true but it still felt necessary to clarify. i don’t want to be accused of advocating for genocide either, like what someone else implied.
preferring all those who support the genocide and increasing reactionarism to face consequences.
fuck this scumbag and his ilk. may all zionists die in pain
Be Careful! You might be banned from big fediverse instances!
may all israelis die in pain
isn’t that a repeat of the Holocaust though? that’s fighting fire with fire…
No it’d be a repeat of any genocide. “Isreali” doesn’t mean Jew BTW.
“Isreali” doesn’t mean Jew BTW
It doesn’t, but it also doesn’t always mean “people who support genocide” or “people who chose to settle on occupied land”
Obviously it’s still the majority that think it’s okay to just bomb and shoot any Palestinian, rip them from their homes, etc, but about 1 in 5 Israelis don’t support the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, and about 1 in 3 disagree that there are no innocents in Gaza. It should terrify us that 4 in 5 and 2 in 3 Israelis agree with these statements, but of course it doesn’t justify killing all of them as the original person stated.
Y’know, its a weird quirk I’ve noticed, how little I see actual IDF soldiers on video or photo, despite hearing of them all the time. Like full transparency, this is probably the first time I’ve ever seen one without combat gear on, or at home, or anywhere that isn’t just some candid photo in a former battlefield. Even then, I’ve only seen a handful.
Okay, editing right after posting, it honestly seems this way for pretty much all of Israel. The only actual visual I’ve seen much of in the news are photos of Netanyahu and the one video where Israel gets hit with an Iranian missile. Even looking up info on Israel seems to prompt a distinct lack of visual insight of anything about the country, much less the people within.
Israel does compulsory service. All of their citizens over the age of 18 are soldiers or vets unless they were concientious objectors; in which case they go to israeli prison. This is one of the ways they manufacture consent when talking about retaliation against them.
They execute anyone pointing camera at them on sight. They killed 129 press members in 2025 alone.
At the same time Israel has mandatory military service. If you seen Israelis somewhere you’ve seen IDF.
(Also, sidenote, 129 is the reported number of journalists who got killed. 86 of those journalists were either killed in Israel or killed by the IDF in the war.)
there’s a reason.
I speak Hebrew and I watched short form videos made by Israelis.
there’s some activists fighting apartheid. but the majority of Israelis are so openly genocidal the west would turn against Israel in a heartbeat if they saw that.
that’s why they don’t show you that.
It’s shocking to hear interviews with people on the streets. With most countries it seems that there is some separation between the actions of the state and general consensus amongst the people. But with Israelis it seems they mostly gleefully celebrate the genocide, and it seems like they genuinely enjoy coming up with ideas to torture and murder Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.
82% was in favour of ethnically cleansing Gaza. Instead of addressing the sources of all problems: the institutional apartheid and heavy military censorship as well educational indoctrination.
Israel is not a democracy, no matter how many may attempt to tell that — because not everyone living there can partially participate without:
- fearing being killed everyday
- being subject to severe and rigid checks by police that aren’t even their own, in their own country. ACAB, but cops you can’t even halfassedly trust are worse.
- worse access to healthcare due to racism
- roads and public transit being segregated and the Palestinian ones often having long detours
- risking their own stores and houses being bulldozed, put on fire, or being shot at by imperialist colonists
- education being chauvinist: people are taught to love the land they stole from Palestinians and to hate the people they stole land from
- no Right to Return while “aliyah” which is the same, is allowed
- fascists being supported and allowed to kill dissidents
The list goes on. It’s pointless to hate one people; but it has a point to criticise the institutionalised hatred, the system behind this apartheid.
By those criteria, many western countries only became democracies in the mid-20th century. Insititutional discrimination and disenfranchisement of groups is common in what is commonly called “democracies”.
From ancient Athens to western countries without women’s suffrage, even up to pre-civil rights USA, “democracy” has rarely required the fair and equal participation of all citizens, and only radical leftists take it to require fair and equal participation of all residents.
Israel is not special. They are a forward base of white supremacy. Look at any predominantly white nation and how xenophobic they get because some of the organised crime is done by brown people now. Put any western European nation under the same kinds of pressures as Israel and they’d fire up the gas chambers.
I say this not to excuse genocide or discrimination, but to advise you to pull the weed out by the root. Israel is a liberal democracy just like your country, and what does that say about your country?
“liberal democracy just like your own”
in no shape or form is Israel a democracy.
the head of state is above the supreme court, half the population in the territory they claim (Google Israel map in Hebrew), and is currently conducting a literal holocaust.
It’s not and never was a democracy.
If you think that’s bad, you should see the UK in 1943. Or France in 1930. Or the US in 1850. Or the Netherlands in 1947. Or ancient Athens in 420 BCE.
Democracies have regularly committed genocide of non-citizen subjects who made up a majority of the territory they claim.
So you’re saying that Israel is a backwards country stuck in the barbaric past? Because yeah, it is.
Guess hitler was alright because think about athens 2500 years ago amirite
You think all those other places are crazy? You should check out what Israel is doing RIGHT NOW.
Gold level mental gymnastics, tho. German judge loved the dismount!
again, half the population aren’t considered people. and are currently being genicided
same level of democracy as Nazi Germany
would you call Nazi Germany a liberal democracy?
I hope they release all those short form videos circulating in Israeli communities and translate them
release? they are already on YouTube, Facebook, tiktok…
just that the algorithm only shows you a specific bubble and keeps that away from you.
Here’s two in spain, lovely people
