Lizardman’s constant (the percent of people who will give a stupid answer in a survey, for fun) is also 4%.
Ain’t nonya bein’ persecuted.
People who are kind, considerate, and compassionate towards others do get persecuted.
People who don’t tip at Cracker Barrel on a Sunday after church probably should be persecuted.
That should tell you who is winning.
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A religion that has a building dedicated to it on every street corner does not get to claim they are persecuted.
Yeah, one of the things that made me doubt my religious upbringing was the preacher repeatedly saying that Christians are a persecuted minority to a Sunday crowd of some 3000 people, in a church people nicknamed “Fort God” for its massive size, in a town where “on every street corner” really isn’t much of an exaggeration. In hindsight, it was laughably ridiculous.
Also, the literal military-worship on Sundays near Memorial Day and Veterans Day was a bit jarring even to the young, good-little-Christian me.
Christians don’t get persecuted for being Christians.
They get persecuted for acting like insufferable assholes. Don’t do that and there won’t be a problem.
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You know what persecution is? Having to pay taxes.
Churches should pay taxes and stop persecuting the rest of us. Churches are everywhere, not paying property taxes and many other benefits that NO other non-profits/charities receive; we all have to pay for their share.
lemme guess…
25 persons voted, including the moron that created this ‘poll’.
(24/25 is exactly 96 percent)
It’s a known phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_complex
Though seems to me that persecution narrative must be pushed top-down by a minority, if 96% of the actual people vote “No”.
Oh boy, I imagine that one has an interesting “talk page” lol
Their scripture literally tells them that they would be persecuted.
And they were… for the first four hundred years…
Not so much anymore, though. Unfortunately they don’t view the bible as a historic document, but as the infallible and timeless word of god…
Yes. Was 380 when Christianity became state religion in the Roman Empire. I believe that was also when they had all these councils to codify what’s in the New Testament etc. I remember some notable exceptions from history class, like the Nazis. Some shenanigans between the Catholics and the Protestants, the French Revolution, Communism… But other than that, they’ve mostly been at the giving end during the 1646 years after that.
The edict of Milan, legalizing (ending official persecution) was in 313.
Unofficial persecution might have continued in pockets, but also it’s reasonable to believe that persecution was far from universal going into the fourth century.
All Jewish authorities in the first century were far less persecutial than the scriptures claimed - and Rome probably saw the matter as a domestic dispute (“bruh, just don’t start a rebellion and your cool”) until they started spreading out from Judea.
Most of the deaths of disciples are recorded in apocryphal works that are more fantasy than not. (Or just made up wholesale by people like Eusibious)
Oral history with a bunch of humans who never under any circumstances exaggerate.
Oral history remembered by a bunch of drunks with memory issues.
Oral history remembered by victims.
Oral history remembered by a bunch of angry drunks who never hurt nobody and didn’t do nuthin.
they don’t view the bible as a historic document,
It’s not even very good at being that. There is a lot of misinformation, events that are provin false by other historical data and self-contradiction within its pages.
I meant historic document as in a document written at a moment in history, not necessarily an accurate historical account.
Like, Homer wasn’t a historian, but a historian specializing in ancient Greece would certainly read Homer to glean an idea of the beliefs, values, and ideals of the people during Homer’s lifetime.
Modern christians don’t even view the bible as a collection of documents that were written within specific contexts at specific moments in history, they try to remove it from all context and interpret it in a vacuum as if it was all equally applicable today
It’s seems like a psy-op by the wealthy.
not… well. maybe it is. but not directly.
The messaging is there to keep people from leaving.
they’ll be told things like “that person was rude to you becuase you’re a Christian!” or “you lost your job because you were a Christian!” or any of a dozen things that have nothing to do with. (sometimes, in point of fact, they push you to do things that will make people angry at you. like knocking on their door at seven AM on a fucking Sunday. this is, for example, the point of the Mormon’s mission… or JW’s.)
along with all this, they’ll get you to burn bridges with your support systems; and to annoy everyone around you.
The whole goal is to keep you from leaving, even though they’re incredibly toxic.
Literally everything organized religion does is a psy-op to manipulate people 😅
I think it’s an interesting discussion to be had, whether it’s done by “the wealthy”. We have account that Jesus was kinda against the rich. I mean he flipped some tables and everything. And young Christianity also had something going on with the camel and the needle’s hole. And we have more paragraphs than just John and Timothy… But boy did they turn that upside down with what we have as of today. Especially in the USA. I think “they” accomplished their goal. Interesting, though, how the establishment (in modern times) often comes with some urge to claim victimhood. And I don’t think it’s traditionally part of totalitarianism.
so… Jesus wasn’t actually against the rich nearly as much as people make him seem these days.
The flipping of the tables wasn’t that they were doing business or even taking advantage of people. it was that they were doing business inside the temple.
as for all the “go sell your shit and follow me” stuff… well. yeah. Imagine, if you will Jesus with a cheesy sleazey-car-salesman grin and his hand out. Also notice that he really had a thing for hanging out with rich people.
none of the disciples were particularly poor. Mathew was a tax collector. James and John were both heirs to a successful fishing business, two of the others were senior employees in that business. he dined with and partied with the rich all the time, too. Joseph himself would have been well off (as a tekton, he wasn’t exactly poor. He was the guy that built everyone’s homes and such.) (though Mary probably fled from Joseph when he found out she was preggers. details)
basically, he acted and sounded like every half-baked cult leader you can imagine.
They’re so persecuted, they’re afraid of answering yes on this poll! Incontrovertible evidence of Christian persecution!
The Christians that feel prosecuted are those who bang on your door in order to convert you and get reported for being intrusive and breaking some laws.
They’re the ones who claim persecution when they get in trouble for illegal discrimination or hostile work environments
the yes people are likely far right christians, which arnt really true christians.
true christians
True Christians are just like their god – they don’t exist.
Merry Christmas, motherfucker
they asked this in the suburbs btw.
Christianity is still SERIOUSLY prosecuted in most parts of the south
South of what
South Of Heaven… \m/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megachurches_in_the_United_States
How many on that list are in southern US states? Seems odd for so many massive churches to all exist in places where christianity is supposedly persecuted.
south of the world
Huh, I didn’t realize penguins were so anti-christian.
South America? Australia? New Zealand? Southern Africa?
look up what the Global South means
The global south is not a geographic term…
and for every example of a country where christians are systematically persecuted, we can find examples of christians persecuting other religions.
No one is saying it doesn’t happen. But we are say it’s not nearly as common as christians make it seem. and even then, most cases, christians are being persecuted by other christians. It’s pretty wild.
It’s almost like you could’ve written that to begin with instead of being vague af
The demographic of Christianity continues to shift from the Global North (Europe, North America) to the Global South (Africa, Asia, Latin America). Christianity in the Global South is growing both qualitatively and quantitatively at a phenomenal pace in comparison to Global North Christianity.
https://lausanne.org/global-analysis/perspectives-from-global-south-christianity
Hmm. Such persecution, much complex.
Edit: Also, both South America and Africa make up for a good chunk of the global south so my comment wasn’t even that far off.
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hundreds of christians are being arrested in India due to anti-conversion laws
hundreds of christians are being shot in the middle east by both sides
Huh… I’m an inhabitant of the so-called Global South, particularly, Brazil.
And what I see isn’t quite what you’re arguing, much to the contrary.
I see Christians infiltrated within the judiciary system using justices’s authority to seize a statue of Lucifer (it’s been more than a year since a temple of Quimbanda had their statue seized after pressure of Christians; meanwhile, the fucking “Cristo Redentor” and its replicas exist without a trouble across the country).
I see Christian “justices” trying to argue it was the mãe-de-santo (woman practitioner of Candomblé/Umbanda), morally attacked by an intolerant christian Uber driver upon trying to request a ride from a terreiro to a medical appointment, the “intolerant one”.
I see Christian gang members prohibiting and even invading terreiros inside comunidades (“favelas”) and murdering those who aren’t Christians.
And I lost count of how many times I have faced religious intolerance disguised as “dad jokes” from neighbors and “DSM-5-based diagnosis” from probably Christian psychiatrists since I became a practitioner of a Left-hand Path centered on Lilith.
So, no, it’s not Christians who are being attacked by non-Christians, at least not in Brazil, one of the largest countries in the Global South. It’s Christians who have been attacking non-Christians; even worse, using the entire apparata of the state to do so.
that is one country
The most ignorant and rude question I have, which I just dont understand… Before europe went and colonized and raped the global south, they did not have christianty
It blows my mind how many have taken to heart the religion thrust apon them by european colonists who’s sole intention was to erase indigeious culture and voice, why do so many praise the european god? Why would folks not cherish thier own and throw out religion of the whites colonizer?
here in north america, they “re-schooled” and ran conversion operations to destroy the native culture and assimilate them into the white norms. It was brutal, violent, ugly, and genocide.
Now anyone I meet from the global south, (specifically the caribean and south/central America) is deeply christian/catholic? A religion forced apon the people of the land with violence and no choice?
I …dont understand the acceptence in severed histories from your own people.
edit: I feel like if anywhere christiainity should be persecuted is the places if was forced on native populations violently with no choice, IE, south americans countries and the caribean, yet again, everyone Ive met from those places follow the colonizers relgion.
They did, in fact, have Christianity
Multiple members of religious orders went to the South before colonization, and some of them even condemned colonization
Christianity existed way before colonization in the South
what was there before the missionaries though?
I didnt think of that. Of course, Im more versed (albeit still ignorant to a lot) in what happened to the native peoples of my very north region, but
idk. Ive just, The peoples who were genocided here, what culture remains, it seems they really respected life and the earth for what it gave. I often wonder how the world would have looked without colonization and missionaries. I didnt think of them, the missionaries prior, so, thanks for informing me of that. Its still… another cultures religion, pushing thier religion on someone else. Like their the door knockers of history.
I guess I should listen to this again, this creator has done a few episodes in south and central america, and it has had me in tears.
Fall of Civilizations Podcast, ep. 12, The Incas
the south of where?
earth
There is Christains in Gaza and Lebanon being murdered right now by the IDF if you wanted an actual example…
They are, but not because they are Christian.
Well it is, it’s because they aren’t Jewish.
Oh look, it’s the guy from the meme!
In what way?
For everyone with a brain, here’s the actual source. It’s definitely good for a couple laughs.
Ahh, I see you meant the global south, which india isn’t really part of, since it is north of the Equator.
Also you are ignoring the persecution of other religions.
If Christianity is actually persecuted, then they brought it on themselves. Shouldn’t have forced indigenous peoples to abandon their religions, and forced them to become Christians. Y’all should have been better neighbors, not bothering other people with your bullshit constantly. If you acted like any other religion, you wouldn’t have the backlash.
“it didnt happen but if it did you probably deserved it”
and no man shall be punished for the crimes of his father
and “every other religion” LOL
Name one other religion that engages in door to door proselytism. I’ll wait.
Your own violence begat the violence that you receive.
Also, I said “any other religion,” stop lying. Typical US Christian.
Also, don’t quote the Bible at me. I don’t follow your fanfiction book, so it doesn’t apply to me.
Catholic Priests or Brothers or Deacons even wont come knocking at your door unless you requested it or they are concerned
and how can I do an earthly deed of oppression after its already happened centuries ago?
Changing the goalposts, I see.
That doesn’t stop the very same deacons and priests from sending their followers to violently convert me.
We are talking about Christianity as a whole, not just one specific sect.
Again, you’re a typical US Christian. A liar.
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what are you talking about? Vague shit is not helping you make your point.
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prosecuted?
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No they’re not, despite how hard we try
they are
You have actual proof, or is this a trust me, ma’am type deal?
My bad, I thought I was responding to comment about Xtians being “persecuted” in the South. My mistake .
Mate, you left off the /s.
