I’m not talking morals with someone who has a moral codex from 2000 years ago.
I’ll never get over the slavery angle. Like, right after delivering your people from generations of slavery would have been the perfect opportunity to go “We’re not doing that shit again.”
No no you don’t get it, God had to allow slavery because there was no way the humans in that time would put up with not having slaves. He had to make some concessions. Telling everyone to cut off their baby’s foreskin though, that’s fair game
I think the hypothetical doesn’t have much to do with morality. There is no moral reason not to. But there are other reasons.
Actions don’t have to be immoral for them to be judged or questioned. People who’d have sex with a dead deer aren’t hurting anyone, but they are making choices that would ordinarily lead one to be sceptical of them as a person and be weary of other choices they might have made you are not aware of and if the choices they will make in the future.
wary*
Is that the best argument you’ve got, my god fearing friend?
^(non-native speakers are gone non-native speak. Appreciate the correction, but people make mistakes on the internet all the time. It’s quite a job to take on to correct all of them.)
Getting any part of one’s body inside a dead carcass has nothing to do with morals…. It’s fucking DISGUSTING! Remember that piece of meat is currently being eaten and digested by billions of bacterias. All eating and defecating everywhere inside and out… flies have burrowed eggs in it, worms are crawling everywhere, and all this is releasing toxic gases from all the rotting and digesting…. Also all the sphincters have released so the bowels are leaking out …! Nope…nope….nope….!!!
Remember that piece of meat is currently being eaten and digested by billions of bacterias. All eating and defecating everywhere inside and out… flies have burrowed eggs in it, worms are crawling everywhere, and all this is releasing toxic gases from all the rotting and digesting
A proper Appalachia Orgy
I grew up in a very cultist region, and I remember having similar arguments at 8-13 years old already. Well, not about corpse fucking but murder and such. When I made the same argument, “I’m currently murdering as many people as I want which is 0”, the holier than thou counter-argument always was “well that’s only because you grew up in a Christian culture even if you’re now deciding to not believe!” Which often wasn’t just that, it often went further into pretty racist assumptions that if I was like a “wild human living somewhere in Africa”, I’d be murdering and eating human meat… That tells quite a lot about the whole love-thy-neighbor act I think.
And this wasn’t somewhere in the 70’s, it was in the 2000-2010.
If the only reason you aren’t a necrophiliac rapist is because your god says not to, you are not a good person, you are a necrophiliac rapist on a leash.
Sorry what exactly are you raping. Is fucking a couch or flesh light rape now? Its dead it is a piece of meet nothing more unless you think its soul is their or something. And no I don’t want to fuck a dead deer bit calling it rape is just odd.
Everyone needs to remember that
Excuse me what
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It is plainly a biological hazzard.
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Most people generally feel no attraction to a dead animal so maybe talk to a therapist about that.
But technically not moral issues, sure. You got us there, corpsefucker. Though, if it were capable of expressing its desire to not be fucked as a corpse before it died, we would want to respect that as part of the same social contract wherein we don’t want our corpse fucked.
I’m not sexually attracted to living deer either. Being religious sounds confusing as hell.
It’s easy to avoid the confusion caused by the absurdities involved by being fucking stupid
I even fail at that. I’m really worthless 😭
wherein we don’t want our corpse fucked.
Hey, speak for yourself. Not everybody wants to have a virgin afterlife.
I hear they make you fuck suicide bombers.
They just told them 72 virgins, guy should have read the fine print
Well, dead guys can’t afford to be picky.
Why not? There are literally billions of ghosts. You’re settling, even in death.
Hooray! I made a brand new sentence!
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I’ve met Christians that think like this. I think the “logic” goes something like this:
- God says not to do a lot of things because they’re wrong
- I try not to do those things, and some of them are totally gross
- Atheists don’t believe in God, so there’s nothing stopping them from doing those things, including the gross ones
The just totally miss that atheists generally don’t want to do those things any more than they do. It reminds me of what Penn Jillette said in an interview:
The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don’t want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don’t want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you.
The sad part is the hypocrisy. They throw the book at you to explain why they are “non violent” and “love” their neighbors. Then when you point out the millennia of rape and killings the Church committed against their neighbors, they say it was in service of God. Which fucking thing is it: god makes you a good person, or god ordains killing and raping (reserved for Christians only)?
Have you ever read the bible? You can find something to justify anything, as long as you’re willing to ignore other parts.
Extremist members of every religion have gone on holy wars to exterminate non-believers at some point. Christians get the most attention because they were the most successful, but they’re by no means the only ones. Even if Christians didn’t exist, extremists of the next biggest group would step up to do the exact same thing.
Every major world religion is built on holy texts that advise people to love one another. Inevitably, extremists will (sometimes willfully) misinterpret these texts to lend justification to atrocities. This tendency belongs to humans, not religion. Religion is the means to the end, but it isn’t inherently harmful. Just as knives don’t stab people, religions don’t go on crusades; people do.
Christians just do whatever they want, their “belief” in God doesn’t factor into any decisions they make. They just use it as a thought terminating cliché, an excuse to have the opinions and beliefs they have, with no regard for their biblical basis.
My favorite example is that God said plainly and clearly, with no room for interpretation, “Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.” Every “Christian” I’ve ever met seems to think the next verse says “unless they’re a homeless guy in the Kroger parking lot, because he’ll probably use that spare change to buy drugs.”
That’s THE BEST ?
Fucking hell…
I mean they did say best logical fallacy. And their logic is indeed fallacious.
And maybe even fellatious depending on the carcass.
Show me in the Bible or Quran where it says I can’t fuck roadkill and I’ll stop fucking roadkill. And don’t cheat with some “defile corpses” type of language. It’s just a cream filling.
As truckers say, it’s nature’s pocket pussy. Brb I have to make America healthy again by eliminating vaccines and also removing any protections that prevent the spread of parasitic brain worms
I’m no parasitic brain worm expert but this does seem like something that a brain worm riddled person would say.
Can anyone who’s fucked roadkill but is definitely not infested with parasitic brain worms care to give us their opinion?
I can guarantee you I don’t have a brain worm controlling me and I never fucked a roadkill. Fucking a roadkill and banning vaccines seems morally ok, let’s normalize it.
And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion. (Leviticus 18:23)
“‘Cursed be anyone who lies with any kind of animal.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ (Deuteronomy 27:21)
Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death. (Exodus 22:19)
The Quran doesn’t say anything that I can find, but there are hadith.
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“Abu Dawud said: This is not a strong tradition.”
They’re arguing against The Prophet? Or agreeing more likely?
The thing with Hadith is that they are stories/sayings attributed to his companions. That kind of commentary is about how trustworthy it is - how close to the original source, who relayed it… same as any historical analysis. It’s a scholar saying the evidence isn’t in the sayings favor for being historical.
That’s the thing that bothers me about religious people, the only thing stopping the lot of them from committing heinous crimes is the fear of eternal damnation. It’s like they have no morals at all.
Some of them don’t. Even facing “eternal damnation”, they’ll still commit terrible crimes.
Look at your “religious” politicians. It is just a tool to control the stupid they don’t believe in any of it.
If it’s actually stopping them, I will support their continuing to believe.
Putting aside the “why the hell would you want to do that?” aspect, let’s assume that you’re the guy in the picture and you do. It would be morally wrong even if the deer were alive because a non-human animal cannot give consent. It’s wrong after it’s dead because it’s disrespectful to the deer, which was once a living being. Don’t need religion to understand that.
It’s wrong after it’s dead because it’s disrespectful to the deer, which was once a living being.
But people eat the deer with zero moral qualms. Are you really going to tell me that yanking something’s skin off, cracking its bones, gouging out its internal organs, and processing its meat into sausages for roasting is a sign of respect?
If the animal represents your only available food source, consuming it is required to continue living.
You aren’t going to die if you fail to rape a dead animal, but you might if you fail to eat one.
For how many people do you think animals are the only viable food source? How many in this thread? Like 10%? Sure hope anyone with options therefore doesn’t…
is it true that anyone rich enough to eat deer meat need it, or any kind of meat at that, to survive?
I just thought it was really funny to read “rich enough to eat deer meat” because deer is pretty much the only thing that the broke rednecks in my neighborhood eat!
I don’t think you’ll get consensus on the “it’s disrespectful” reasoning. It might not be inherently religious (although most religions I’m aware of expand upon it to specific procedures or prohibitions) but “respecting” the vessel which once contained a life seems very much tied up in sentimentality and woowoo more than sound reasoning or pragmatism. It’s just engrained into social norms at this point but, purely speculation, burial and burning were probably done for the same reasons other animals do it - you don’t attract other predators or suffer the scent of death inviting maggots, flies and other vectors for disease. It probably became more ritualistic and religious over time. If I’m dead someone can dangle my lads from their rearview like a pair of fuzzy dice for all I care - which will be not at all because I’m dead.
well, why is it we should disrespect? don’t give me wrong, i agree hat we should respect, but many customs of respect like this one seem to have origins nearly as arbitrary as faith
I mean there are evolutionary reasons most humans feel disgust towards things, in this case mainly the spread of disease. If none of these were problems, there isn’t really a good moral case to be made against it unless you believe in some sort of afterlife.
“Without god, what’s to stop you from committing all the rape and murder you want?”
I already commit all the rape and murder I want, which is none.
I like this one the best.
Recently, I was introduced to Wikipedia’s List of individual cats.
Among them is Jack, who was lost in luggage by American Airlines. He was found 61 days later, still alive, dehydrated and malnourished and beyond recovery, Jack was put down.
That’s one incident. In nature, shit like that happens every single day.
I don’t think there’s a god, especially the Greek notion of an omnipotent, omniscient creator.
But if one did exist, to us, it is a monster…
…and to It, we are irrelevant.
Are you familiar with the heresy of the Cathars? The God of the Old Testament is actually evil, and the God of the New is the ‘good’ guy. Cathars were burned at the stake, because Catholics didn’t like the implication that their version of God might actually be evil.
There are various heresies like this, including at least one where God and Satan are literally the same dude, just wearing a different name tag. Shit gets fascinating. Obviously, still nuts, but fascinating.
Debates were way easier for religious folks when they could just burn the other side
“Lean not upon your own understanding” is a goated debate strat tbh
I just don’t want maggots on my dick. Simple.
A pragmaticist!
Personally I just don’t find this particular deer that hot. I blame the deer for that.
Now if Gadget were freshly hit by the car in front of me…
Coward
What if I suck them out for you?
