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      There’s a number of older adults who do. They bought into the luxury of the Trump name and what it represents a long time ago. To hear them tell it, “Trump” means quality and business acumen.

      I’m sure that at least some of them have changed their minds in recent years, but his base clearly hasn’t.

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        Sociopaths know no age. There are going to be younger ones, too, who see Trump’s success, or the MAGA Corruption surrounding him, as their best opportunity to get theirs.

        There will also be young racists, raised by the previous generation of racists, who will follow MAGA and Trump because Hate is their dopamine trigger, so Hate feels good, and Trump/MAGA feeds that hatred. Same with the Incel Weirdos.

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          Most of the people in my field are white men over the age of 60. I listen to them talk about Trump and the GOP all day long. They like him. He’s not the only billionaire they like either. There have been plenty of offhand comments about the success of billionaires like Zuckerberg, Besos, and Musk and if I’m honest, they really do believe these are selfmade billionaires who earned their money. They’re upset at tax rates (especially on their homes) and the cost of living, but don’t understand how we got here or that billionaires contribute heavily to that. There is a mindset that was pretty normalized during their formative years about billionaires and earned wealth that just doesn’t pass the sniff test for newer gens.

          I’m not saying they haven’t done their part to indoctrinate their families and younger generations where they can. I’m not saying that younger tech billionaire supporters don’t exist. I’m arguing against it “not being an age thing” in the first comment because I have seen it be exactly that.

          Nothing exists in a vacuum. My comment wasn’t saying that it’s only old people.

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        They bought into the luxury of the Trump name and what it represents a long time ago.

        You’re right, but I still don’t understand this. I grew up watching Trump drama in tabloids and rolling my eyes at Trump-branded products and I grew up fundie, rightwing, and abusively sheltered. He was always just the weird looking guy with bad hair and I never understood why people cared so much.

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          I am 48 and Trump has been a public figure since i was a child. He was, however, mostly regarded as a punchline! We already used to joke about his incompetence in the 90s. I remember seeing a political cartoon as a child involving Trump and a panhandler - the punch line was that the panhandler had significantly more money (it was during one of his bankruptcies). When I heard Trump was running for president I thought it was a joke candidacy. Who could be his running mate - wily coyote?

          When he won, I thought, “what the ever-loving fuck is wrong with Americans?”

          Not once - not once - did I associate Trump with acumen, luxury, or quality.

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            When Trump first ran for office in the 2016 election I thought he was a joke too. Because I remembered people laughing at him as a joke candidate when he ran in 2000.

            What happened in between 2000 and 2016 that made him not a joke anymore? The Apprentice. He became a reality TV star and that made him a serious political contender because this is a fucking joke of a country 😂

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            He talked stupid and said bigoted things and connected with the dumber, bigoted half (30%?) of America. Simple as that.

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            It’s people older than us. People who should remember the slums he was controversial for running, and his racist comments about the tenants living in them.

            I watched a number of those shows about how Trump had a habit of not paying investors, worker, and vendors involved in his projects when they go belly up and I’ve literally seen people in their 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s say that exact thing. It’s crazy to me too, and those people are thinner on the ground every year, but they still count.

            That’s who those stupid ads with Melania eating diamonds were for. People like that.

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          I never understood why people cared so much.

          Bigotry.

          That’s it.

          He literally rode a wave of bigotry into the White House. Twice.

          It shouldn’t be some shocking surprise. The U.S. is a super bigoted nation. Most candidates just aren’t willing to stoop that low. Donald Trump definitely is.

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          …I never understood why people cared so much…

          Because he was on TV and portrayed an absolute leader who gave decisive answers. He was the strong man lots of people want to be, on a scripted show designed to look like “reality”.

          He was in people’s homes, in their living rooms, having dinner with them in their kitchens, relaxing in their dens and while they were making love in their bedrooms.

          It’s a form of intimacy to have a celebrity in one’s home. A complete lie absolutely… but there nonetheless.

          The actor Tom Baker (Dr. Who “Doctor” #4) pointed this sense of false intimacy out in an interview he did decades ago, when talking about how some of his fans created an entire mythic life with him, where he was their best friend and confidante and expected a similar reaction from him, when they’d approach him at conventions which of course, he could not reciprocate.

          Worst thing to happen for America was Mark Burnett getting Trump a TV show. It put a con-man into the most powerful office in the world.

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            Most thought of him as being a harmless buffoon fit for entertainment. Nobody realized at the time he was part of a complex scheme.

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        I had a conversation with my dad lately about wealth inequality, wherein he started defending Bill Gates, and I was both utterly baffled and incredibly dismayed.

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        Back at the very beginning of all this when they were all parroting “he’ll run it like a business” clearly unaware that his super power is tanking businesses, that’s when I knew it was a cult.

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        There’s a maga civil war, and blueanon is chipping away part of their base.

        The grifters pushing the maga civil war are going to shift to push JD Vance though so there’s only a short window where you can kind of capture them during the transition. The grifters are only becoming anti trump because they are influencers and their currency is views. They can’t just tank the loss of income now that trumps becoming increasingly unpopular, especially on issues about Israel, Iran, affordability etc. Once Maga kinda catches up they’ll then start giving them money to make some new “grass roots” network similar to Ben shaprios or turning point.

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          Understandable but hear me out. The same people who think Trump earned what he has and still believe he’s a billionaire are the same people who believe and trust billionaires in general. Lots of younger people used to support Musk, back before they knew anything about him other than he was buying Tesla. Now those people have mostly come to their senses. Their grandparents? Not so much.

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    Doesn’t matter if they trust them, like them, or respect them… as long as they fund them, the billionaires are happy.

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        Nah, Altman and Zuckerberg at least also desperately want adherents beyond wealth. They want to be famously important. See also most billionaires turned TV personalities, they crave attention, otherwise they wouldn’t bother.

        Of course there’s a lot that don’t care. I would say Jeff Bezos and Larry Ellison don’t care about anything but their high score.

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    And well they shouldn’t. These “tech bros” were raised in a period of absolute moral vacuity and they live only for money and power. The world will be a better place after they’re gone and their values are abandoned.

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    I mean literally what have they done to gain trust?

    Who, other than an idiot, would place trust in a stranger who has done nothing but work to sow distrust?

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    What the fuck did Zuckerberg ever “lead” when it came to AI or anything for that matter.

    Sad bitch was pumping shitty dead-eyed vr avatars as the future while AI was spinning up. Named the company “meta” why? Not cause of AI…

    Now cause he wrote (likely ai wrote) a rambling essay, he’s “leading” something? He’s never led, he’s acquired and pretended.

    His shitty ramblings have been cited as the what everyone hates.

    Fucking waste of a ceo chair is a Johnny-come-lately idiot waving his arms around in desperation as his college theft slowly fades into irrelevance.

    Clawing their way back… Cause they’re so LEADING

    A good quote about this dipshit:

    “Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook are not innovators. The only thing they’ve innovated around is their core product, Facebook, which a lot of people would argue was stolen in the first place. They’re outstanding acquirers. Just as I have reveled in the train wrecks that were Portal and Libra, this is the next $10 billion insect hitting the windshield of reality for Facebook."

    “When the internet came about, the initial vision for retail was that you would have these avatars that would go to a shelf for a sweater and then walk over to the cash register and buy it. It was just stupid and didn’t make any sense. We have these similar things now.  We’re going to be legless avatars in a meeting? This is the cynical part of me, but I just love the fact that 10,000 Facebook employees are driving to work every day to accomplish absolutely nothing. I guess they’ll get some IP out of it. I don’t know what the biggest product failures are in terms of capital spent; at $10 billion, this will be right up there. But if it changes the conversation for several months, maybe it will be worth it?”
    NYMag

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      He’s just as much an AI leader as he is an EV or space transportation leader. He has very little to do with any of them but his blood diamond money let him purchase companies involved in those industries so now he acts like he invented them.

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        Good thing China is undercutting precious stones with cheap artificialy created ones.

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    Probably only a select few. Millennials were warned about Bill Gates, even with the Simpsons episode we still believe in the leader of the most influential tech company of the time.