i’m seeing three dominant patterns: the aussie funnel, the nordic maelstrom and the franco-swiss oscillator.
The Nordics, Finland, and Estonia are just doing an exchange program.
we’re very keen on recycling
Lol the Swiss want to be French and the French want to be Swiss.
I suppose young french, would like to have better salary… young swiss just want to spend their money on good food, for once
I have not tried swiss food, but oof. Still, I have been to only two places which might be close to beating france in terms of average quality of food.
Yeah the swiss mostly want to stay swiss but a lot of people work at the french/swiss border
That’s a problem with this map, it only shows the most popular destination, not how popular that destination is or how many people actually leave.
Greece and Albania are 100% accurate! Also Albanians, their second choice is Germany too. edit: why no one wants to go to Italy? like the go for vocations etc, but they don;t want to live there? weird.
Data source plz.
I live in Finland and we’re looking to moving into Sweden or Norway… It’s rough here. Everything is expensive, can’t get or afford healthcare, no jobs… We just want a little house and some simple jobs to barely sustain or little family, and to be able to go to the doctor if sick. Not possible in Finland at the moment or in the near future.
Isn’t healthcare free in Finland?
It used to be nice, it’s still nice if you’re dying. The big problem is getting there as some data suggests Finland now has by far the longest wait times to see a doctor in Europe. Current government implemented austerity measures combined with economic difficulties since the 90s recession that screwed us over.
Lol, no, not in any way. :DDD
Don’t expect it to be terribly different in Norway. If you are dying and/or need emergency care it is probably ok/good, but just your average healthcare is annoying at best and you have to beg for any kind of specialist treatment.
That’s honestly what I’m expecting.
well don’t go to sweden expecting better healthcare, the previous right wing government has been very busy ruining everything with privatization.
They have and it sucks but we still have decent health care. It’s just that the overhead is increasingly siphoned off to some tax haven.
It might still be better compared to not getting any… It’s not like we need help every week and so on. I got lots of family in Northern Sweden, and they all just say it’s all good and they get easily what they need and even can go to specialists fast. (Yes, on public side.)
not sure you want to use northern sweden as a good example, considering how there have been news articles about people having to drive for hours to give birth in a hospital because their local one closed…
I live in Northern Finland and the situation is the same or even worse here. Anything is an improvenement. I’m, we’re, not looking for perfection, just something livable.
Which one is it for Slovenia?
Czech Republic
That’s Slovakia. Slovenia is the one next to Italy without any flag. The color doesn’t match any other country.
Right you are, apologies.
deleted by creator
People moving to germany thinking wages are great, until they realize their net pay is like only half of their gross pay. Add to that insane rents, and then everything doesn’t look so rosy anymore.
You think taxes and rent elsewhere are much lower, if lower at all? My real net here is more than twice what I’d make in France
I was told germany got the better protected price rent policy in all europe
I don’t know about that, but the actual enforcement is anyway more important than whatever the law is on paper
Didn’t really expect people wanting to migrate into Poland.
Hasn’t Poland doing very well over the last few years? So well, that in fact, here in germany more Poles are going back to Poland than new Poles are coming to germany lol. All because in germany the rents are high, and even more importantly, your net pay sucks since you gotta pay a lot for social security, and those social security costs that get deducted from your pay keep rising, leaving you with an ever smaller net pay.
My Polish schoolmates returned to Poland, especially after the recession.
No no, it’s honestly the most logical choice for people from Belarus. Similar culture, many already speak the language, Poland is rich in comparison to Belarus and everything is a beacon of freedom when compared to Europes last dictatorship.
I know plenty of young Finns that left to Poland in hopes of better life and they’re living the dream there… Yeah, wages are smaller, but so are living costs and all that too.
Into the the largest and richest economy in the region (Eastern Europe)? Shocker, amirite?
Fun little triangle there between Norway, Sweden and Denmark.
Its funny cause then when youre talking about estonia youre suddenly buddies with finland again cause “estonia is basically eastern europe”
I like looking at these kinds of maps and finding the stable spots.
Norway -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Norway is one.
There’s also Switzerland -> France -> Switzerland.
The UK escapes being part of one of those cycles by choosing a country that’s off the map as their escape.
Russians to Kazakhstan? Is this voluntary emigration?
I would guess it was very different before the war started, but I can’t find a good source nor for this, neither for pre-2022 stats. Now there are at least some companies that moved to Kazakhstan because it was a relatively easy move
It’s because they’re the number one exporter of potassium
K
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!
Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.
No, the sellout began way before Orbán.
True that. We didn’t have an actual left-wing government since 1989, even the supposed “left-wing” were actually neoliberals pandering to international corporations.
Looks like lots of young Europe hasn’t had this stuck in their head for a while.
deleted by creator
This makes me wonder how does the graph diagram wind up looking like. Most nodes seem to end in a Germany-Switzerland-France loop
Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.
To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.
It just ends in a France Switzerland loop. I think you’re mistaking Austria for Switzerland.
And then there’s the edge case of England going literally outside of the continent, with Australia
That’s because Brits would rather move to the literal other side of the globe where everything wants to kill you than learn a second language.
The other side of the world: for when you really need to get as far away from it all as you can.
They took away our right to live in Europe. I imagine things would be very different for British 18-34 year olds had that not happened.
I’m not sure that’s true, even when we were in the EU more Britons moved to Australia.
Russians also move to Kazakhstan
They do like to make themselves at home in other people’s homes. Wouldn’t be such a problem if so many of them weren’t such horrible cunts.
Right, I keep forgetting Russia is still partly in Europe
Some countries like Turkey are part of both Europe and Asia on technicalities. They straddle the border so they get to be part of both.
Then there’s Russia, where the population is mostly in Europe, but the land is mostly in Asia.
The European part of Turkiye is still about twelve million people as well, it’s not like Russia but it is still a pretty substantial number of people. It’d be the 12th-most populous country in Europe if it was independent
It’s not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe’s entire population. It’s a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.
Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia’s entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That’s warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they’re not much colder than Moscow.
i feel there’s a big difference in how the parts of the countries culturally relate to each other, too.
Like i’m not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it’s 1) a massive distance, 2) there’s a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?
Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that’s actually still bigger than most European countries
Most of it is in Asia, but the part in Europe has most (75%+) of the actual people. Partly colonial population dynamics at work, partly the rest of it being Siberia.
Most well educated young adults who emigrate do so for better wages. Shocker.
