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Bill should have just pirated WMM
Painfully hard to even read. I guess when you are the boss you just write however you want.
I wouldn’t mind seeing more. Oh well, the site wants a paid subscription to view more? LOLOLOLOL. No way in hell. The internet has gone to shit.
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Nah. I am already annoyed.
This is from 2003 for those who haven’t noticed
And they never did fix any of that shit 🤣
23 years later, not much has improved.
It is even much worse now.
What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy.
🤣
So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker. I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.
It is not there.
What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package, Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1, Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2, Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.
Garbage indeed.
I had completely forgotten just how awful microsofts websites were back in the early 00’s. Gates saying the site kept timing out or would go down all time is very much true and happened with everyone. Microsoft’s website would CONSTANTLY time out. downloading ANYTHING via microsoft was an absolute crap shoot if it would actually download or not.
I remember having a computer in the late 90s that only came with Netscape. In order to play games like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter online more easily than direct IP connection to someone you had to use Microsofts Internet Gaming Zone. in order to use that you HAD to have Internet Explorer, it wouldn’t work with Netscape. So you’d have to spend an entire day downloading IE and MOST of the time the download would time out or crash so THEN you had to use a download manager to prevent you from losing progress on the download for when Microsofts site would go down which again, was constantly. updating the OS was even more painful as again Microsofts online service would always go down.
If you think Microsoft is bad now, man it was A LOT worse back in the day for reliability.
Omfg, and let us not forget that it was the world’s biggest knowledge base containing precisely zero quantifiable knowledge.
My windows “start” menu takes at least a full minute to open. Then, when I select, say, Control Panel, it takes another full minute, totally blank with no options
I’m not a programmer or even smart, but isn’t that absolute shite? I’ve used Commodores, Apple II, Macs, 386, 486, have used windows since first job (I don’t remember my first Windows version, but it played Tetris in color. Three? haha 3)
Menus have always worked before.
My next laptop will be linux Mint because I like mint ice cream. Does it have menus that open? I am super excited.
I apologize but it made me really mad and now i feel better.
Don’t wait for the next laptop, just install Linux now.
It sounds like your laptop is completely unusable anyway, and you can dual boot while you’re figuring out if everything works
it’s good to do it on a new laptop. It makes migration easier to have the old system alive next to it
it’s good to do it on a new laptop. It makes migration easier to have the old system alive next to it
that’s why they recommended “dual boot”
I have a laptop from work that runs Windows 11 and have the same experience with the unusable start menu. I wasn’t allowed to install Linux on the machine. I run Linux on every other machine I have and have used Linux since the 90s.
However after complaining and begging with IT I was allowed to try running Linux on it. It’s a managed machine, so I had to do a dual boot from a second drive IT installed for me. If it worked out and IT was happy, I could run Linux.
Unfortunately it was a total failure. The big issue is the CPU is AMD and has on-board graphics that are normally used for everything. However there is also a Nvidia GPU, I think an RTX Pro, which is used for acceleration stuff. In Windows this works well enough, the AMD handles most of the regular display stuff and is plenty powerful for that. The Nvidia gets used to offload certain workloads, to make sure the laptop is usable for certain kinds of software. On Linux this is a configuration that simply isn’t supported or working at all. Either it just won’t boot or do graphics at all or it’s extremely slow and/or unstable or with some effort the Nvidia chip can be completely disabled and just the AMD is used. Basically turning a $2500 laptop into a $1000 one and unable to run certain workloads. Now getting some of that software to run would be hard anyways, as it’s not typical software and only supported on certain versions of Windows. But I hadn’t even gotten to that stage.
The whole experience reminded me of getting Linux to run on my laptop back in 2002. An unstable mess with half the features missing. Back then I loved the challenge and when I finally got the thing to ping over the PCMCIA wifi card I was super happy. Never did get the sound working on that laptop tho.
Obviously I aborted the experiment and have just accepted Windows 11. It’s fucking awful and I bitch about it every time I need to use that machine. But for now, there doesn’t seem to be a better option.
I’m surprised they let you dual boot a managed machine, since the Linux installation likely isn’t running any of their management software. At my work, we’re not allowed to dual-boot, but at least they support Fedora. (their production servers use CentOS and Fedora is close enough that they can reuse a lot of management infrastructure like Chef recipes across both)
See if there’s a setting in the BIOS to always use the Nvidia graphics. It’ll use more power but should be more reliable.
Hybrid graphics is notoriously buggy on Linux, especially reverse PRIME. Reverse PRIME is used when the video output port on the laptop (DisplayPort, HDMI, whatever) is physically wired to the discrete GPU, but the system is the integrated GPU. There’s a well-known bug with reverse PRIME where the screen only updates at 1fps when only using an external monitor (laptop screen is disabled).
Yeah it took some doing on the part of IT. It was only possible using a separate drive and special settings on their part. That way it could be fully managed, but still allow for the dual boot.
Alas the AMD can’t be disabled and the Nvidia card can’t do display output. It’s one of those RTX Pro things that are purely used for compute, not driving a display.
Yeah, its known that setting up an nvidia card is notoriously hard on linux. I believe Linus T had something nice to say about them. But what you’re looking for does exist and can be setup with a little bit of tinkering.
Personally, I use NixOS, so I just have to add a few lines of code to my nix flake. Here are the directions
Then you just add an environment variable for the applications you want to run. If you don’t use Nix and want to set it up manually, as always the Arch Wiki comes into play. See section 1.3.1.2.
To sum that up, install the nvidia drivers through the package manger, mod probe the kernel, and add some udev rules. You’ll need to add those environment variables again for any application you want to use the gpu.
Edit: I forgot to mention its called Nvidia Prime. If you search the distro of your choice plus that it should help.
Nvidia itself is fine, as long as you don’t also have an AMD gpu. My main rig runs a Nvidia card and it’s just fine. I use Arch btw
My laptop says otherwise lol and because you didnt read the links I put
services.xserver.videoDrivers = [ "amdgpu" "nvidia" ]; hardware.nvidia.prime = { offload = { enable = true; enableOffloadCmd = true; }; # Make sure to use the correct Bus ID values for your system! nvidiaBusId = "PCI:0:2:0"; amdgpuBusId = "PCI:54:0:0"; };Is all it takes to install Nvidia Prime Offloading on a NixOS machine with AMD iGPU and an Nvidia dGPU.
Nvidia isn’t too bad these days, especially for 20 series and newer since they switched to using the “open-source” driver by default. It’s mainly PRIME that’s the problem (where you have both onboard graphics and a discrete GPU and the system has to switch between them), and the problems aren’t exclusive to Nvidia.
Yeah, I had similar problems years ago.
Realistically, that is primarily gamer hardware, and Nvidia has no interest in open sourcing their drivers, or gamers nowadays, so it’s unlikely to ever be fixed.
Most people don’t have a spare thousand dollar gpu on their laptop though, and for them this is not an issue.
they did in fact open source their drivers and I haven’t had problems with Nvidia cards on Linux since years
Partially open sourced with heavy reliance on binary blobs and closed source user space code.
And yeah, we’re talking explicitly about Optimus switching being bad, nothing else.
All engineers have those cards in their laptops, it’s very common. Those aren’t for gaming, they are required to run a lot of the more advanced engineering software.
That’s because Windows 11 now uses React Native for a lot of things, including parts of the Start Menu. So something that shouldn’t be, is extremely resource intensive.
Mint runs like a scalded dog on my hand-me-down Dell laptop. Yes, the menus work. I’d bet it runs amazing on newer hardware.
That’s a high-voltage simile right there, goddamn
Edit: and yes, on my high end custom rig it goes like greased shit through a… Lightning… Pig?
It’s one I picked up from one of my very country uncles when I was young. It just stuck.
It’s marginally better than “runs like a raped ape”, as another , more city uncle used to say. Thankfully this boomer ass gem did not stick in my speech patterns.
Edit: damn yakko, that is the first time I have seen you lose your way with words.
Awoken at 4 will do that. I’m beyond coffee.
Sometimes I prefer a malaphor though (or possibly it’s malaprop when it’s a simile?)
Fair enough, but oof, I hope your day becomes more agreeable.
BOOOOOOM SHPLORT
i don’t even use menus anymore. it’s slow. heck I even hate using the mouse these days. We had the right idea back in the 80s and early 90s by running everything via the command line. it’s faster. Now to open stuff I just use a launcher. it’s faster to type what I want to run then it is to use a mouse to go find it in a menu.
On Linux, I can pull up the system menu, type in a few letters of what I want to launch, and hit enter to get it started in less than 2 seconds, without having to open or switch windows to a terminal. Done right, there’s nothing wrong with menus.
I can pull up the system menu, type in a few letters of what I want to launch, and hit enter to get it started in less than 2 seconds, without having to open or switch windows to a terminal
That’s what I do in Windows, but I hit the Windows key instead of Enter
Yeah but as per the post, windows menu is taking forever to open…
For me, the Windows key stroke can often be part of the next few letters I’m searching for, and my machine is a mid-range (at-best) build from 2020.
And that was before I installed an app that gets rid of most of the junk in the Start menu, turning into just a Search field with a power button! Lol
on linux, I can just start typing what I want to launch. No menu needed.
Well you have to be typing it somewhere
As long as I am not actively using a window thats capturing input, it can be anywhere.
This is the thing - with advanced systems, which they should all be now, context can drive behavior.
We had the right idea back in the 80s and early 90s by running everything via the command line. it’s faster.
keyBindings with a simple windowManager is even faster than the command line :)
Back in the early 2000s someone said “a experienced Windows user doesn’t notice a little bit of lagging”
Laggy GUIs make me want to scream
Yeah I only use windows at work now, ditched it at home. The start menu takes over a minute to open, and then when it does it ignores clicks for another minute.
Then whenever I want to run outlook I have to search because the start menu doesnt let me set favourites. And I have to wait when I type in Outlook because the first search brings the crappy built in version of outlook (which I have clicked on more than once to be immensely frustrated to see it open) and then wait until “Outlook (classic)” appears and click that.
I discovered some of my less technically able colleagues gave up on Outlook because they assumed it wasn’t installed and use the web interface instead. And that is just one of numerous daily frustrations I get with Windows.
Honestly, Windows is now a big steaming pile of crap. All my home devices are on Linux, and I only use Windows at work because I have no choice.
That’s not my experience but I’m not trying to run Windows on a 30 year old computer.
How old is your pc and how many virsuses do you have lol
They’re all just idiots, amazing
So many managers
shower thought after reading that email:
i wonder if Bill secretly started using Linux after that
Probably why he does philanthropy.
“God, the company I started has such a reputation as the evil monopolist that we can’t even hire talented programmers to make our system decently usable. There’s not enough money in the universe that could convince people to work for us. I have to repair the world.”
The silver lining was that Bill never had to experience movie maker. That would’ve been a whole extra email.
Win 98 was the last good one. Easy network setup, no spaghetti settings.
And he’s correct; installing and removing software via the software tab was comfortable and polluting it with random sub packages is killing its use.
But this shows, there was no canonical way to publish software. A manager oversight from bill himself at the time probably.
Plus this makes me wonder if he was using a different system normally or was not a power user.
Also lol bro owning means you pass the issue to your team and rake in the promotion when they fixed it.
Win98 was trash, which is why Win98SE was a free upgrade. Now you may have meant SE, but those are distinctly different versions, which is required to follow the rule of every other OS release being trash. SE was followed by ME (trash, recommended daily reboot), followed by XP (good, merging of the NT and old windows line, still able to play most games with the compatibility layer, 3 GB Memory addressing, etc.).
I’m partial to windows 7, but it’s been a very long time since I have considered myself remotely close to a power user. Windows 10 is meh. Windows 11 is a dumpsterfire of epic proportions.
MS couldn’t even corner the AI world being a primary investor in openAI and having first dibs. Like they could not execute. They have too much Baggage now. VERY IBM. They will coast with their business contracts and that’s about all they can do, ride intertia.
CEOs and CTOs really need to start caring about their products this much again. These days I’d be surprised if any big tech CEOs even go through the new user setup and onboarding experience and provide detailed feedback like this.
It’s a symptom of billionaires. The CTO needs to make the CEO happy, and the CEO needs to make a whole board happy. The board needs to make the investors happy.Who are the investors? Greedy billionaires. Sometimes the board too.
Delightful, truly. Although I think it may be triggering some past trauma lol
