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    I keep thinking about how much this kid rules. He warns the other kid instead of suckering punching him, understands and accepts the consequences of his actions before he takes them, then acts without hesitation. Not only does he punch fascists, he does it with principles.

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      The Filmer is trying to get some Charlie Kirk attention and launch his streaming career or some shit, instead no one knows who that fucking creep is, but we all know the face of who hit him.

      The filmer looks like such a punk, tall, acting cool, doing the “I have a right to be a fascist, what are you gonna do about it” bit. the kid who threw the punch is about as unassuming as you can be, probably not super popular, kind of a big guy, when he speaks, there is a waver in his voice from not being the kind of guy who initiates violence that even comes off as sort of meek. He probably got made fun of by people like the Filmer.

      But the Filmer captured this brief moment, not the face of a fascist getting punched, but of the righteous anger and imperative to defend the defenseless, coming for your fascist ass. Those who try to get along, who believe in kindness and humanity, unable to be civilized about smug incivility.

      I’m making these details up, I dont know anything about these young people personally, but thats the message we received. Smug self interest advocating the destruction of lives, gleefulness in the face of incredible fascist violence; met with the rising tide of popular anger against this acute sickness at the heart of a sick society.

      Humanity vs the inhumane, in one still image. A picture that says more than 1000 words, it speaks to a growing sentiment among many. We see him and we see ourselves, or who we think more people aught to be.

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      I don’t think he did understand the consequences of his actions. It’s possible the police get involved here, for starters.

      “You should punch Nazi’s” is great and all, but when it’s a kid that has their whole life ahead of them that’s a different matter. This incident will probably do lifelong damage to basically every part of his life.

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        I’m pretty sure punching another kid in high-school isn’t going to do lifelong damage to every part of his life.

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    “Social media made y’all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.” -Mike Tyson

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        I coulda went for the Conan (Barbarian, not O’Brien) quote, but felt Tyson was more salient. That said, may as well drop the Conan quote too.

        Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split.

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      As much as people enjoyed Waltz’ performance in the opening scene and how utterly cold and ruthless his facial expression was when he asked the Frenchman “You’re hiding enemies of the state, aren’t you”, can we all just take a moment to appreciate how he also pulled off looking exactly like the pathetic and cowardly fascist he portrays in this very image?

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        That moment of realization after “After the war, what are you going to do with that uniform?” is perfection. Amazing actor

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      I thought it stops being a paradox when you realize it’s part of the social contract. Violate it too much and you’re no longer guaranteed society’s succor.

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        Ultimately, it’s all a wash. The nazis we are punching would say their targets broke the social contract first. Tolerance should be an aspect of your morality, not the whole thing (and hopefully, that being said, your morality says punching nazis is okay).

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          Nope. The concept of the contract is that those who do not practice tolerance are not protected by it.

          It’s also worth exploring what intolerance is.

          Thinking members of a religion/party/social group are wrong or crazy isn’t being intolerant - that’s simply disagreement. Intolerance is saying they shouldn’t be allowed to exist or to have the same rights as you.

          The fascists discriminate on religion, sexual orientaion/identity, gender, political affiliation, race, national origin, and more. They are wildly intolerant, and therefore do not have to be tolerated.

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    Not only did he punch him, he hit him with the Magnum look too. Make fascists afraid again.

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    ICE has shown to be intolerant and to use excessive violent. So if you support ICE, you support intolerance and excessive violence.

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    AOT Annie punch, oh and the nazi sympathesizers come out of the woodwork on this thread defending him or saying its not ok.

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      Kids were doing an anti-ICE protest at school. The kid recording had a “I support ICE” sign.

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    Honestly as much I vehemently support punching fascists, the guy was fishing for a reaction and so got exactly what he wanted.

    The only way to deal with these guys that are just trying to get attention is to just look at them disgusted and then ignore them

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      Typically I would agree, however in this instance, I really feel that all of those other kids in the hall should be queued for their turn to take a swing.

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        If they would have been, or are today, then sure. If they aren’t, then yeah, let’s explore other ways to kill off nazis than punching them publicly on a video they are recording.

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      The Nazi SA were also fishing for a reaction from Jews, leftists, social democrats etc. – they assaulted and murdered them, and then when someone fought back they’d use it as an excuse to say “oh look how violent these Jews (or whatever) are”.

      Does that mean nobody should have violently opposed Nazis? Or will these “people” find an excuse anyhow, regardless of if you give them a reaction or not?

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        It is not a black and white, all or nothing issue. You can fight the actual fascist agents while just ignoring the random attention seeking teenagers.

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          yes it is a black and white issue, you either are a nazi, supporter or sympathezier, or your not. reading between lines only mean you actually support it.

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            Muricans are so retarded they only see the world as black and white and cannot fathom that you can absolutely be antifascist and still pick your fights.
            Punching an attention-seeking teen on camera is a bad fight to pick.
            Kudos for the puncher though, and fuck all you morons who think any sort of critical thinking is being a nazi.

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        This is this is some “so you hate waffles?” type shit.

        Actual ice agents that are arresting people? Yes fight them physically tooth and nail, be armed to the teeth whenever they are near.

        Some random kid at school being a smug prick to get a reaction for tiktok? No. It does less good than harm.

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          nah, some of these little shits just need to get their ass beat by someone their own age.

          the assholes that go all the way through highschool having never faced any consequences for their actions grow up to be kirks and shapiros.

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            And now he’s a right wing “champion if free speech fighting the woke left” will be on the right wing grift tour soon enough

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      Yes, but what if the next day they are 2 people “supporting ICE”, and the day after they are 4 then 6, then… then they are numemous enough they can terrorize minorities for real.

      This boy stopped that right from the start, by showing them: fascists will NOT be tolerated.

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        So you think this shit eating loser now doesn’t support ICE, won’t don’t this exact same thing again after seeing the video he filmed get millions of views, and he gets massive support from the MAGA grift complex. This guy could probably make a career off of this event.

        And then when other shit sniffing right wingers see that guy make money from it, they’re just going to copy him.

        This will only do more harm than good.

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          eh, depends on how hard he got hit. if these hate-grifters actually faced regular physical consequences for their actions there would be far less of them. getting your ass beat is humbling experience, generally

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            eh, depends on how hard he got hit.

            Not much, he just kept filming and talking and harvesting ticktok likes.

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      Maybe I’m desensitized from being a kinkster but just because someone is asking for violence doesn’t automatically mean you shouldn’t give it.

      Y’all never seen a brat looking to be tamed? Sometimes people really want to learn the limits of how special they are.

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      The real solution would have been for multiple people to join in so he couldn’t just walk it off the whole getting a reaction thing is made up, fascists don’t need a reaction to justify fascism, they’ll do it no matter what

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      “Don’t feed the trolls” has never fucking worked.

      They just escalate.

      … but maybe remember the bigot’s face, and wait for him to stop filming.

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      that never works with trolls or bullies. and besides anyone who says do nothing, is just a supporter themselves.