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Israel did not have a realistic plan for regime change when it attacked Iran, multiple Israeli security sources have said, with expectations that airstrikes could lead to a popular uprising having been driven by “wishful thinking” rather than hard intelligence.
Iran has survived nearly two weeks of bombing raids and the assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Trump is publicly contemplating ending the increasingly costly war.
If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country.
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No need for regime change if you just kill all the public there. Seems to be Israrl’s plan for Gaza.
Ah but you have changed the regime. You’ve switched out one that was sorta kinda meh passively loathing you for one that is now for sure actively hating you and seeking your destruction!
Suffering from success?
Bored of Peace
The regime change is happening on US soil. The ultimate conservative wet dream: The American government is being privatized.
AFAIK we currently have no idea, if the tunnel system of the enrichment facility has been destroyed or not. Meaning, if they even have access to 50kg of enriched uranium, it will be quite easy for them to assemble that on a rocket that reaches Tel Aviv. And if the Chinese deliver some nice intercontinental rockets, DC will be gone, too.
Yeah.
We noticed.
They’re literally just improvising this war, because the point is to create chaos in Iran and they don’t care how bad it gets. These bastards want another Sudan.
Correct me if I am wrong, however isn’t destabilizing the neighborhood that you live in is generally a bad idea?
If the choice is between a central organized state that can make missiles to launch at you, or a basket case country with no ability to make missiles because the industry is destroyed and the ones that are left are being fired within the country, you pick the basket case state.
Israel knows at this point they aren’t going to get a stable friendly regime in Iran like they have in the Gulf states since popular sentiment is so against them the people would overthrow that government. So if they can’t get a friendly state it’s better there’s no state at all to channel the broad hatred for Israel.
Trick question, the answer is c) you establish mutually beneficial ties with your neighbors and stop being jingoist fuckstains so neither of you have to launch missiles at each other.
Maybe it seems less so when you have a country sending you free WMD’s every week.
Funny enough this is what may fuck Trump over big time. Americans have been spoiled by their super low gas prices so the sudden increase is a shock nd he can’t blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.
nd he can’t blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.
Lol watch him
He can’t form new memories. I swear he thinks he is in the 80s again during the hostage crisis and is still obsessed with Obama/Biden.
Still, his base seems to love a geriatric child rapist so I’m not sure they will be able to connect gas prices to his actions, even if he is essentially hitting them in the face with it.
My coworkers have already managed to blame Obama for making a “shitty deal” with Iran, and Biden for not “dealing with Iran sooner”
I would stop talking to my coworkers and start loudly laughing at them instead, with a bit of overdramatic pointing and comedy head shaking thrown in.
Idiots like echo chambers, and hate being made to look the fools that they are.
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Never underestimate the high powered, highly financed propaganda machine the right has constructed - that and the gullibility and stupidity of Americans.
*The gullible stupidity of the GOP voters.
I mean, there’s plenty of non voters who guzzle up bullshit too.
Just republican voters actually
You are correct, but that won’t stop them from trying to blame them.
Also the Dems are so ineffectual lately, they might just make it easy for him.
I agree.
Americans’ #1 issue is affordability, and it is the only reason they voted for Donald. He thought he had a mandate to rebrand and rebuild the Gestapo. He thought he had a mandate to dismantle the government.
No, Americans were tired of being priced out of their lives for the last four years, hated Democrats for doing nothing about it, and believed his lies about making America an affordable place to live again.
Ironically, not even the SAVE Act will be able to save him. Tens of millions of Americans are already working multiple jobs and 100 hours a week just to overpay for their rent on a roach-infested studio. The mid-terms are going to be an absolute bloodbath for Republicans. (Though most of the Democrats we elect won’t do anything to make America affordable either.)
What could Democrats do to make America affordable? They can’t clear a veto proof majority in the Senate, even with a blue wave exceeding all expectations. So that just means nobody can pass anything anymore.
As a former political strategist: You flood the zone with good bills. Give them so many that the propaganda machine cannot knock them all down. You can go as far left as you want with it, so long as it works and works quickly (w/in 12-18 mos.)
Dare Trump to veto free childcare or money for struggling families. Dare the Republicans to vote against the SAVE MAIN STREET act. Make them vote against the SAVE RURAL AMERICA ACT.
We’ll get some wins for people, and we’ll make these bastards own their dumbfuck regressive nonsense policies.
Thanks for a good answer!
The same shit Donald is doing. In reverse.
Amazing you’ve seen Donald accomplish so much with almost no congressional participation and you’ll still argue Dems are powerless, and probably will again when President Newsom lets affordability get even worse.
Ah, I thought you were talking about midterms.
In a lot of ways you can blame Americans intolerance for rises in gas prices for the situation we’re in. Hard to imagine Trump being possible without Reagan, and while there’s lots of factors to his victory in 80 to hear my older family members in Georgia tell it that was what made them flip on the native son who for most was the only democrat they ever voted for
Because the plan was to distract from the files.
Or… Maybe failure was the goal. If you would claim to preemptively attack a country to prevent future attacks, which then leads to future attacks, why wouldn’t you also preemptively use threats of terrorism to go ahead and crack down on civil liberty?
The plan has always been to destroy Iran and its infrastructure. Just like what was done to Iraq and others. They don’t care about it having a different government. They want Iran and its people destroyed.
And throwing phosphorus is changing the regime?
Because they don’t want to “win”…
Bibi and trump both, they don’t want a victory, they want a forever war they can use as justification to cancel elections.
Look at the people responsible for stopping terror attacks, they’re trying to make one happen thru sheer incompetence if nothing else. trump is desperate for some type of “attack on America” because he expects a 9/11 style bump in approval, when it’s likely to be the opposite reaction if it happens.
While I understand the hypothesis, I am not sure it is working out that way.
Although Trump is trying desperately to find a way to subvert the elections, given the decentralized State based nature of it, it’s going to take more than an external war with Iran to justify an internal canceling of the elections. The SAVE Act is an attempt at nationalizing the Elections, but while it’s moving it lacks the capacity to jump the biggest hurdle in the Senate. Any Executive attempt at nationalizing the elections has very little judicial basis, which would make it hard to hold up in court. It’s dynamic and complex, but it’s not as simple as his declaration of marshal law.
That is not to say your sentiment isn’t correct. If he can find a way, or his backers can find a way, they will try and do it.
On the second point, Trump didn’t get a 9/11 style bump. Indeed it seems to have gone almost the opposite way based on polling. Given inflation and other economic impacts, it might cause more defections before it helps him.
What it has done is push Epstein out of the US new. This too might have been part of the calculus. It is still rippling through the UK and other political systems, but the US has put it aside for now.
given the decentralized State based nature of it, it’s going to take more than an external war with Iran to justify an internal canceling of the elections.
If trump was constrained by a system of checks and balances, sure.
But I think there’s a strong chance he “declares” them cancelled, Dem states hold them and Red states don’t…
And then we see what happens on 1/6.
Like, we can’t just expect them to play by the rules when there entire ethos is “fuck you, make me”.
Someone’s gonna have to make them… Whether thats words or actions is what we need to find out.
Bibi just wants Iran broken and bleeding. That means nobody else can stop his settling program, aka conquer and colonize the Middle East.
Trump is just there because he thought it would be easy.
They also want the US nose bloodied as much as possible so they throw up our hands, tell them the middle east is their problem now and give them boat loads of cash to “fix the problem”.
Trump is just there because he thought it would be easy.
He doesn’t do anything without there being something in it for him personally. We don’t know what he’s getting out of it yet, it could be blackmail threats, Saudi money, or something else.
They want the prophecies
American Christian extremists do…
But their prophecy is for a Jewish ethnostate to start a war that becomes Armageddon…
And to lose that war at which point the rapture happens and everyone globally gets raptured before Armageddon spreads world wide and into “Christian nations”.
Bibi and Jewish extremists want to conquer the world.
The alliance won’t hold together. At some point the Christian extremists will abandon Israel to bring about the next step; the destruction of Israel. Because their prophecy requires the destruction of Israel.
None of them are working towards the same goal, they’re just temporarily working towards the same step, and when they reach it their plans diverege.
With the current war in Iran, the Christian extremists might move to the next step any day. We could see a sudden and drastic reversal in how Republicans treat Israel any day now.
An air campaign alone, removing the current leadership with airstrikes and blocking Iranian sea-trade will not win the war. The Russians and Chinese are fucking delighted, because they can evaluate and examine the US weapon systems capabilities. Regime change, it ain’t gonna happen until Israel and US military forces can physically occupy Iran.
No shit homie?
‘Vibe warring’
They’re just winging it
They attacked Iran with a clear view to raise oil revenues
