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UK and Japan among countries that are considering options but yet to commit warships to blockaded shipping route
Countries including the UK, Japan, China and South Korea have said they are still considering their options but without making commitments after the US president, Donald Trump, urged them to send warships to the strait of Hormuz to secure the vital shipping route.
The effective closure of the strait of Hormuz by Tehran, in retaliation for airstrikes by the US and Israel, has proved catastrophic for global energy and trade flows, causing the largest oil supply disruption in history and soaring global oil prices.
However, the international response to Trump’s call for the dispatch of warships has so far proved vague and reluctant, with countries unwilling to commit to a military response that could prove treacherous for their navies.
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American allies? The guys american president calls shit, treats like shit, demands shit from them and gets insulted when they don’t like it? Those allies?
They ain’t gonna do shit for america.
Japan isn’t considering it. “We’ll think of it” is japanese for “No, but saying no directly is rude”
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Were we not in a trade war with everyone all year? Why would they help us? Should have got the details worked out before starting shit if you were going to need help you stupid orange fuck.
Technically the straight is vital for all countries. So Trump went and fucked the world with his war mongering. And countries may be wishing to workout a deal that if they help him, they get something if he is successful, but imo, that would be a mistake, since his agreements aren’t worth shit.
So, to me, the only solution is to wait and see and leave trump on his own.
He will definitely use that later on and accuse of not helping etc… but thats fine. If countries do help, it wont score them with brownie points, because trump always wants more, so if he can back out of a deal, and you dont have much leverage to force him not to, he will just TACO right out of it.
I’d sooner help Iran secure the straight, and china, and bring the entire american economy to its knees, before I helped it win its war.
And if I ever DID consider sending ships, I’d ask for 20 billion$ up front, and once the check clears, i will send my ships.
Yeah, agreed, this sucks for everyone but if they help it will only enable him further and he’ll have forgotten about it when he starts up on whatever the next distraction is. They’d be better off making a deal with Iran.
Ya, unfortunately Iran, Russia, China, these countries all suck as well. But Israel/US are a much more immediate threat. Unless you’re Ukraine, as russia is obviously the more immediate threat, and you dont want to help Iran for that reason, since they are team russia, but I agree Trump should not be enabled. Let him waste his resources and Iran’s and russia in a fight together, and we will pay the cost of inflation for it. It’s not a bad deal.
So we’re out of nato but we expect nato to help? Eat a brick trump
And you already won the war.
Nato AND China
The US has the largest military navy in the world, by far. They can very well choose to “escort ships” on their own, if they’re ready to accept the risks that comes with it.
The US is essentially looking for a sucker to stick his neck out for them. The British would be smart to keep out of this one, but again, they’re British.
American here.
Our asshole government started this fucking war and is fully responsible for the consequences. Other countries should embargo us until we agree to pay reparations to cover the economic damage caused by the war. Or better yet - seize any assets of American oligarchs to cover damages.
It sounds like I’m ignoring the human cost of the war, and that’s because the human cost isn’t a concern for those behind Trump. The billionaire class running this country doesn’t care about how many innocent people suffer, so they need to be attacked economically.
I like the idea of them seizing the assets of the oligarchs, but I’m sure they’d come up with a way to make the 99% pay for it like they did after 08 and like they already are with the private credit collapse.
Oh wait until Trump is out of office, there will be an aftermatch.
The British said they will look into it. That means no in British.
Not completely muted. Spain and italy made it very clear how they felt.
Iran has already offered all countries the out of kicking out the US and Israel embassadors so that their ships are allowed to pass the Straight.
Further, my impression is that at least in Europe and especially after the Greenland affair, most of the public opinion thinks Trump is an untrustworthy liar AND because they attacked Iran unprovoked, America and Israel are the ones to blame for the increase in fuel and gas prices they’re already feeling.
(There’s enough independent press in most of Europe that the “blame Iran” messaging is far from dominant)
The idea of sending European ships into Trump’s war is incredibly unpopular and whilst I don’t think we’re quite yet at the stage were kicking out the American embassador would be popular, the more fuel and gas prices go up the more acceptable it looks.
Then the whole Epstein files thing throws suspicion in people’s minds on any European politician that’s a little too eager to do what America or Israel wants.
At the very least the offer from Iran introduces doubt and confusion making it far harder for blackmailed European politicians to find a way to justify the incredibly unpopular idea of putting European ships and military at risk because of a war of pure aggression started by America and Israel.
Is that offer still open to friendly nations? As I understand it, they have been mining the strait, and things just seem a bit chaotic to mine it in a way that leaves a safe and known path, plus how to communicate that path to those they want to let through while denying those they don’t. Unless the minea are remote instead of proximity, but I think part of the point was to make the embargo passive so that carpet bombing the area wouldn’t be an effective counter.
I don’t know about you but my youtube feed is now filled with NATO propaganda…
Consume American media and media hosted by American companies, get fed pure propaganda.
The old Soviet joke of “There is no pravda (truth) in Pravda, there’s no isvestia (news) in the Isvestia” also applies to the American (and British, Australian and possibly Canadian) Press and other modern means of “opinion forming”.
Most countries in Europe aren’t quite as bad, but even here at least some of the Press is very biased and even Propagandistic (Germany what from what I’ve heard is especially bad, Britain I know from personal experience is horrible in that sense, possibly worse than the US)
Thankfully we still have the CBC. Privately owned news here is all dog whistling and hand wringing now.
Calling us is lovely, but what exactly would you like us to do?
We warned you that they would close the strait and that the world would be powerless. Now you went and did it anyway.
So… Exactly WHAT would you like us to do?
There are mines in that narrow gap now. We need to clear them while Iran is taking potshots at us. Clearing mines takes weeks. Even when NOT being shot at.
No Trump. You break it, you own it.
The world should say “Drop the tariffs and we will talk”
Then say “No”.
I’m not sure the American people have learned their lesson yet. I say let the Tariffs continue until they realize they should never elect another Republican again. I say that as an American paying for the tariffs. The answer should just be “No.”
The average American reads and comprehends at a sixth grade level. Learning is not the America strong suit here.
Wrong, that’s way too high of a grade level.
After mistreating all of his allies, after humiliating Ukrainians in the Oval Office, and after saying he already won this thing multiple times, he keeps requesting others to take risks for him.
Other countries should wait for his navy to get there first before risking their ships and people.
Remember the Greenland thing?
Europe remembers!
Please stop sane-washing calling any of the military or government “his”. It’s supposed to be our government and our military. Don’t let him normalize that it belongs to him.
until Congress authorizes a war with Iran (and they explicitly refused to restrict the 30 day do whatever you want authorization wrt Iran) it most definitely is “his”. the Statesian people’s representatives ceded their rights and responsibilities over the military to the despot.
This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn’t the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn’t be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I’ve literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
There isn’t a lot of reason for any world leaders to help Trump at the moment. Our strategic oil reserves had some oil in them, it’s always a good idea to make sure you have lots of reserve oil before attacking an petrostate, so we can just sit it out for a couple of months.
Also it takes time to ready a naval fleet they’re not just sitting around on the off chance that some despotic old fart causes an international incident for literally no reason at all.
So between taking the time to equip and it being strategically advantageous to hold off for a while no one’s coming to help any time soon. Also the war is extremely unpopular with the public so there’s not a lot of reason for international politicians to damage their reputations, it’s not like Trump would be grateful.
If Trump doesn’t TACO in the next 6 months then maybe there will be some ships.
I don’t think Trump really can TACO on this one. I’m certain that he would like to turn this one off but Iran will continue attacking US allies in the region.
The economic situation will force Trump to negotiate with Iran or the general public will lynch him. Iran’s big problem is that the Americans are attacking them so if they stopped doing that and went away Iran could spin it as a victory and Trump can just lie about it and claim that Iran gave massive concessions which never happened. It’s not like MAGAs will fact check.
I dont think thats true at all.
An external aggressor allows the Iranian regime to consolidate their support.
I dont think they have much incentive to end this war.
An easy offramp without resolving nuclear issue is the US will agree to leave if SoH shipping is open to all but Israel. Israel and Iran can make their own deal. This is harder to spin as a victory than buying Iran’s uranium, but it’s something Iran would agree to.
There isn’t even “a nuclear issue” that’s just a made-up nonsense story from the White House with absolutely no basis in fact.
Does Iran want to develop nuclear weapons, well probably. Are they developing nuclear weapons, no.
So what’s the problem?In terms of a country likely to develop illicit nuclear weapons I would be much more concerned Israel ramping up their supply but surprise surprise Trump doesn’t think that’s a concern.
The United States itself is well outside weapons range, it’s not even clear that they could hit Northern Europe, (Cyprus is the most northernly target they’ve hit so far) so this war is only happening because the US has military forces in the region. If they just left, the war would end, by necessity.
While the real motive for Iran antagonism is to permit more Israel genocide and expansion, there is a lot of “political capital” invested in ending Iranian nuclear program. Buying Iran’s uranium at a high price can satisfy both US victory over denuclearization, and Iran’s demand for reparations as well as trade normalization.
Also suggests Trump floated the idea with the press before discussion in detail with, you know, the actual people who would be sending the boats
Even Bush had a coalition of the willing.
I guarantee you they have not made that connection at all.
The documentaries in ten or twenty years are gonna slap
… If we get there
Lol what a child
So far, the US has not sent its own navy ships to escort tankers through the strait.
Then why would other countries send ships to help in a war that the United States of Israel started without consulting them??? Trump, again, shitting himself and expecting others to clean him.
I thought he didn’t need any help with the war he had already won?
