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Too many comments asking us to vote for the “good cop.”. Yes, one cop is a raging asshole punched you in yhe face, and the other cop said “im sorry he’s an asshole, here have a cigarette”. THEYRE BOTH TRYING TO PUT YOU IN PRISON DONT TALK TO EITHER OF THEM.
Feels like a lot of people are just fed up with the whole system at this point.
I’m happy to rage at how terrible Democrats are. I just also want people to recognize how outwardly horrible Republicans are. I think of Democrats as capitalistic opportunists that see an illogically frothing-mouthed monster, and developed a profit means to fight it forever through virtue signalling.
By all means…that monster shouldn’t exist. Not by votes anyway. It has no logical means by which to exist, and it’s a cancer not just to Americans but the whole world. No matter how anyone explains it, I’ll never understand how people keep voting for them.
Reading the comments (as well as seeing similar infighting elsewhere) and I think everyone here needs better persuasion skills. And maybe step back, drink some water, and take a nap. The only thing getting done here is hours of time being lost on endless bickering that will end with no one’s mind being changed and no progress made.
I’m going to sleep. Good night, Americans.
How can you write that and not finish with, “They need to grow up.”
Im now convinced more than ever that the left will never gain any traction in the US when I see posts like these. It’s clear lefties are not interested in building political power but rather just opining endlessly about the so called dualism of American politics while sipping Starbucks and ordering delivery on their iphone
It’s clear lefties are not interested in building political power
But I thought we had so much political power that we caused your pro-genocide corporate-owned candidate to fail?
Also leftists don’t drink Starbucks dipshit.
That isn’t true. Several Democrats are being primaried by progressive candidates and winning. But that is a slow process. People that tell you revolution, that overthrowing the government, is the only way will not tell you the death toll that will come with that. If someone tells you revolution is the only option, they want you to not vote. And that should be a warning to you.
If you want to prepare for a revolution, fine. Donate to a food shelf. Create mutual aid networks. Meet your neighbors. Plant a food garden. Find or make your local leftist group. Help a food kitchen. Start small and prepare. A general strike or any other revolution needs preparation to work, and that doesn’t exist. Yet. And while that happens, vote. Show up to primaries. Show up to the ballot. MAGA Republicans will do their best to harm your allies, and you need as many of the people around as you can get.
We are but “moderate” americans are straight up reactionary, like the average american really believes homeless people are a necessity of the market system, they do not want them housed, they want them on the streets begging.
I mean all this hand-wringing about Democrats and the American left can’t stand up a functioning party that could win a council race let alone a congressional one. Dems have their flaws, but if half the online left focused their rage posting into actually trying to get a foothold in winnable races (other than voting for Jill Stein every four years) maybe the two party system would be broken by now.
Reducing the condemnation of an openly genocidal entity to “hand-wringing”, and support for said genocide to “flaws”, is on par for the soulless liberal.
That’s a lot worse just to say that you don’t understand that the US is a one-party system
The US isn’t a one-party system. It is silly to think so, like laughably, provably silly. You can say that the parties both kowtow to wealthy interests, undeniably, but to say that both parties are the same is just false. Hundreds of thousands have died around the world because Trump was elected that simply would not have had Kamala been elected. Like… What a silly thing to say.
Yeah and the senate democrats allowed him to do that
Can you show where the (minority) Senate Democrats allowed him to disband USAID? Because that has multiple lawsuits tied to it that are trying their best to not do that.
Every fucking day it’s anothe democrat texting me, begging me for more money I don’t have.
I don’t have $5 you fucks. You stole it when you raised my taxes, gave me shit, and then bailed out more billionaire cronies.
Then when I tell people on here that both parties are only acting in their best interest and should be disbanded, I get labeled some sort of “shadow nazi” or something equally idiotic because I’m not in lock-step with some leftist tankie.
Y’all, political parties exist for themselves alone. They are not your friends or allies. They are vampires which have infiltrated every facet of our lives.
America is a house on fire… the Republican party is throwing gas and fireworks at it, the Democrats have no idea how to fight a fire and are not sure if it’s their job to put out the fire.
You still should vote Democrat but immediately after continue to fight for complete reform
Having said that and witnessing American’s reaction to their house being set on fire was basically nothing, I am not holding my breath they won’t re-elect republicans and give them a bigger gas canister to finish the job
100 vote for the best candidate, but don’t let that distract you into thinking that’s enough. It’s barely enough to turn things around. It’s less than the bare minimum to fix your country.
You need to threaten the money to get any improvements through
Democrats are watching it burn and enjoying the show, while pretending to care by writing strongly worded letters and slamming social media posts, so that when the time comes, they can take over the government and do nothing to improve things, because they serve the same billionaire overlords pushing fascism.
Sure… but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left. So they either die with the republicans or buy a bit of time with the democrats while they get out of this emergency
As I said, they are likely to do nothing so America is basically over
Sure… but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left.
Lol what? Maybe in electoral politics, but that’s just a testament to the fact that we have no chance of being saved through that route.
America is basically over
Best outcome for the human species tbf.
buy a bit of time with the democrats
James Baldwin, 1984
What have Americans done during this time?
To me, this is the problem… it’s not “time”… it’s that Americans seem to expect someone else will take the risk, pay the cost and do the hard work for them
Currently every excuse Americans seem to put up revolves around the idea they will not act unless someone else provides them with a solution that is:
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risk free
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cost nothing
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immediately effective
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permanent
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solved ALL problems and corollaries
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will give them 100% of the credit
Anything not marking ALL those boxes, they are not willing to do and would rather continue their (not-so) slow decline forever
Liberals do what liberals have always done. They want leftists to do the actual hard work, the grunt work to getting politicians off the ground and then they can ride our coattails as if they have supported us the entire time.
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Democrats are the ones providing the gas
Never mind that they voted to continue funding ICE every single year they were in power,
never mind that they did nothing to codify abortion / LGBT protections when they had a supermajority under Obama,
never mind that their so-called “progressives” like AOC vote to arm an apartheid ethnostate recognized by a multitude of international human rights organizations as committing genocide,
I’m going to downvote you because what you’re saying makes me sad
Reform is a path to failure.
so what’s the solution?
Leave the country before the madness swallows us all
They have no solutions, only criticism.
The solution is to get the fuck off the Internet and het involved. Go to caucuses, vote in primaries for progressive candidates like I did. I didn’t get selected as a state delegate but at least I was there caucusing for the most progressive candidates available.
This defeatist talk is cowardly.
The talk of cowards is not having the balls to do what’s right and could keep capitulating for those that are causing the problems that we’re experiencing.
The solution is breaking Free of the oligarchy and supporting the candidates that represent the working class in government break free of the lesser evil bullshit that does not exist. Break Free of the false dichotomies that the only option is Democrats despite the fact decades show that they are not helping
What a meaningless word salad. Give concrete steps. Go.
“Show me how to do revolution”
Or you could educate yourself? Not that it’s a serious question from you anyway, obviously.
I’ll give you a first step: grow food and feed your neighbors. Figure it out from there on your own.
There are literally 2 parties on the ballots.
Your solution is to vote for a third party that does not exist?.. if so, your solution is less than useless
maybe on your ballot there are only two. but not me.
I’m not USian… do you actually get the possibility of choosing something NOT republican or democrat?
depending on the jurisdiction, and the race, and a concept called “ballot access”, yes.
so some magical non-existent party is your solution?
The number of negative and/or “just vote for democrats idiot” comments shows how brainwashed and doomed Americans really are.
Nobody’s saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn’t do it. What people are saying is that it will solve nothing and lead to no real change. At best it’ll result in Americans being ever so slightly less abused on a daily basis. Which is of course better, but still shit. That’s the main point.
To most people, it’s fine to vote for liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, as long as they’re the least bad available candidates. However, if you’re struggling with admitting that they are indeed liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, and should be at best put in prison, then I’m sorry to say, but there may not be hope for you.
Even if Americans managed to get rid of the entire republican party, and have a government purely made of democrats, it’d still be a far-right government, one of the worst on the planet. Let that sink in. All Americans deserve better. As a matter of fact, all humans deserve a better American government, since it unfortunately impacts us all. But you’re not gonna get anything close to a resonably good one by voting. It’s just not happening in our lifetimes. Likely not even our children’s. If you genuinely wish for a decent life, then you can either leave the country or prepare for mass riots. I know it sucks, but that’s the reality Americans - and everybody else - live in.
Nobody’s saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn’t do it.
I am, actually. Signing your name to greenlight internationally-recognized genocide in order to protect your own comfort - in other words, valuing your privilege above the actual lives of thousands of other human beings - is wrong and you shouldn’t do it.
If you’re told that’s the cost to save our nation, or to avoid having to fight a fascist government, or whatever other bullshit Blue MAGA wants to sell you, the correct and moral response is, “That price is too high and I refuse.”
Choosing not to vote because “both parties bad” empowers the GOP and teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.
You move the party left by voting in the primaries for the progressive candidates. But you also need to vote for whoever gets nominated, even if they’re not progressive enough. Choosing not to vote for the Dems is beneficial to the Republicans, and supports everything that’s happening right now.
teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.
lmao right, they rigged their primaries against Bernie’s leftist populism because they were just too stupid to understand how much people want houses and healthcare, not because they’re owned by capitalist oligarchs or anything
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Genocidaires and their symps get no votes, sorry. I do not care if what I do is beneficial to the Republicans over the Democrats because I do not regard them as being meaningfully worse than Democrats in their actions, only in their rhetoric. My actual goal is for my actions to be contrary to the interests of the empire, and voting for Blue MAGA is decidedly not that.
You cannot vote your way out of fascism. You can vote in all the progressive candidates that you want and until they are deemed to not be a threat to the status quo, they will be given no positions of power to threaten the status quo. The reform bullshit lines that they give you only prolongs their existence. They promise you that change is just right around the corner. If only you stick around long enough. Karl Marx talked about these exact same scenarios in 1860 and people are still waiting on fundamental change. In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?
Choosing not to vote because “both parties bad” empowers the GOP
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If you don’t vote, it’s your fault that we lost
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We don’t owe you anything
Dems need to pick one
John Fetterman being a perfect example of this dynamic in action
If more of people bothered to fucking vote in the primaries instead of bitching about who was selected, then Fetterman wouldn’t be in office.
The hard reality is we have a 2-party system and choosing to not participate doesn’t accomplish anything but empower those who least-represent your interests.
If more of people bothered to fucking vote in the primaries instead of bitching about who was selected, then Fetterman wouldn’t be in office.
fetterman ran as a progressive in his primary
The vote blew no matter who crew is who gave us Fetterman. They were willing to overlook his right-wing tendencies so that the blue team could be the fascist running things. The only purpose of the primary is to allow the party significant time to manufacture your approval for their hand selected candidate
You have 2 options in November. Fully-support Trump and the GOP through either voting Republican or not voting at all, or voting for the Dems, who are less-bad and can be changed over time.
If you aren’t supporting the Dems at the ballot, you’re declaring that you support ICE, the Iran and Venezuelan wars, the blockade of Cuba, the gutting of the administrative state, the suppression of the vote, the removal of Healthcare for millions, the millions of deaths from cuts to USAID, and more.
So either try and slow the bleeding or just put on the fucking red hat.
can be changed over time.
Can they though? They were the conservative party before Nixon, and clinton and obama both governmened from the center right. There is no history of the democrats ever being progressive besides a few politicians like Sanders Warren AOC. They never had a progressive party leader.
Fully-support Trump and the GOP through either voting Republican or not voting at all,
not voting is not fully supporting trump.
YOU have two options in November. The red fascist or the blue fascist. If you believe that Democrats can be changed over time then why have people been having the same discussions for decades. WEB DuBois was talking about Democrats claiming to be the lesser evil in 1956.
Under Biden ice received the largest increase of federal funding that they have ever received. They recognized Trump’s hand-picked president Guiado of Venezuela until they had to negotiate with Venezuela and then they recognized Maduro. So yes, we would be in the exact same situation with Democrats in office.
USAID was always a tool of regime change. The US created the circumstances that they would need aid, then come rushing in to provide the aid with strings attached.
Lesser evil is something that Democrats tell themselves so they can forget that they chose evil
If you aren’t supporting the Dems at the ballot, you’re declaring that you support ICE, the Iran and Venezuelan wars, the blockade of Cuba, the gutting of the administrative state, the suppression of the vote, the removal of Healthcare for millions, the millions of deaths from cuts to USAID, and more.
this is a false dichotomy
If you aren’t actively fighting this shit, you’re contributing to it. And the reality is that in November the only thing you can effectively do to battle Trump is vote blue.
It’s that or pick up a gun. But that takes even more effort, and your lot seems more interested in bitching about things than doing anything to make things even a little bit less awful.
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Hi friend, seems you’re a little confused. 👋 Voting blue empowers the GOP. 🐘 Hope that helps 😃
Amazing how people just ignore the damage Lieberman, Feinstein, Sinema, Biden, and the Clintons have done to the party and the very idea of liberalism over the last forty years.
From raising the Confederate Flag in San Francisco to authoring the precursor of the Patriot Act to locking up millions of black and brown people for victimless crimes to good old fashioned corporate selling out, these slimeballs have worked hand in glove with their “moderate” Republican colleagues to plunder out country and commit genocide abroad.
How many times does Donald Trump have to pardon Henry Cuellar before people figure out they’re all on the same team.
This comment is cuck schumer erasure
Do you really think Trump is on the same team? Do you think Kamala would have done the exact same things and killed the exact same number of people? Do you think that they would have harmed the same number of people that you claim to care for?
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
And if you care about people as much as you claim, you would want them to be less harmed. Because you can STILL PROTEST things Democrats do, and people do! But Trump and MAGA, SPECIFICALLY, is killing so many more people than Democrats, many of whom align with leftist goals like women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people.
So please tell me they are the same.
I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done
id love to have your list, just to show the democrats who supported that policy.
- Disband USAID. That, alone, killed hundreds of thousands. And nobody really likes that. Like, unprecedented levels of political violence around the world because of this.
- Use ICE as their private gestapo. Send them to airports and towns and shit. ICE’s actions have killed over 5 times the number in a year as under Biden, period. Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now. Pretend that’s supported by Democrats by using budget votes, that STILL WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED UNDER KAMALA.
- Pardon the January 6th protestors. Considering that several of them immediately went on to commit crimes against others, that’s just an easy one. Especially those child rape crimes! Idk, there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
- Team up with Israel to go to war with Iran and whoever else is Israel wants. You can pretend that there’s Democrats that support this stuff, but, literally, there is no precedent for doing that. None. And every president gets asked to do it because Israel is an ally. Should we be allies with Israel? Fuck no.
- Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend. Pretty hard to top that one, he’s literally a child rapist. Oh man, guess you can put Clinton as your ammo against that one, since they’re Democrats. Oh wait, I’m sorry, who’s responsible for those sweetheart deals? Republicans? Damn. Not again.
- Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people. Yeah, I don’t think Democrats would do this. Are they great allies? No. But are they better than Republicans? Fucking absolutely. This has lasting consequences. People are dying because of this. And Democrats just would not do this.
- Oh shit, I can keep going? Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself. He has made four billion dollars off the office, through embezzlement from crypto and bribes and a whole bunch of other shit. The Democrats or any President really has NEVER become a billionaire while OR AFTER being President. And he defrauded many people to do this too. Does it harm his base more than most? Yeah.
- Tariffs! Why would anyone use tariffs, let alone huge generic tariffs? Raised prices on all goods, illegally, and now that the Supreme Court has said they’re illegal, everyone gets to keep their huge high-costing shit. Lots more starving children!
This is no-brain shit. It’s so easy to see the differences.
Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We’re watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don’t see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
If you haven’t seen it, you aren’t looking. Half of Epstein’s Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Team up with Israel to go to war with Iran
Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran
How Biden pushed Israel to calibrate its strikes on Iran
Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend.
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat”, explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats…But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that “I identify with some things as a Democrat.”
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat’s paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people.
Oh shit, I can keep going?
I don’t doubt it. But it looks like it’s all bullshit.
I asked for policies.
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Do you really think Trump is on the same team?
Why else pardon cross-party? Why have the last eight years of politics been “Lock Her Up!” / “It’s Mueller Time!” with no notable federal prosecutions? Why do campaign staffers and mega-donors move so fluidly between parties as they rise and fall in popularity? Hell, you don’t need the Epstein Files to get a Whose Who of high ranking officials spanning six administrations co-mingling at an exclusive resort for pedophiles. This goes back to Jack Abramoff and The Franklin Scandals. Or forget all of that and just look at how many politicians Elon Musk keeps in his back pocket.
Trump has personally operated as a bipartisan font of dubiously sourced campaign donations and kickbacks straight back to the 1980s, when he took over from his father who played the exact same games.
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done
Harris, maybe? Although they were much closer on policy than anyone on either side of the aisle likes to admit. Any other Democrat? Trump was a Democrat. Straight into 2014. There’s nothing he’s done that John Fetterman or Krysten Sinema or Henry Cuellar seemed to actually disapprove of. Hell, even Hillary Clinton has remarked how she likes Trump term 2 better than term 1.
And if you care about people as much as you claim
When did I ever claim to care about you people?
Death to America. Y’all are getting exactly what you deserve.
I didn’t say “you people” or “us people” or “Americans”. I said people. Generic. Do you just not care about people in general? Isn’t that the point of leftism? You want what’s best for the most people (or at least what’s least bad for the least number of people)?
Or is that not true for you?
Like, leave the US and everyone in it out of the equation entirely, Trump has killed hundreds of thousands on his own by disbanding USAID alone. One of the worst forms of political violence in history for no fucking reason. That would not have happened under Kamala, bar none, full stop. That, alone, should be enough for you to want Democrats if you care about people. Non-US people.
I get that Democrats are not great, but if you truly care about people, then you should want to harm less of them. Less horrible regimes are better, regardless of what you think.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
I’m in Texas so am more familiar with Texas numbers, and the good news is that Democratic participation in the primaries this year was about triple what it was for the 2022 or 2018 midterm cycles, driven by a particularly tight Senate primary that had received national attention due to the administration’s reactions to Volvert and The View.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
Primaries have been hot this year precisely because lots of people are invested in seeding the next round of general elections with ideologically aligned candidates.
The problem is that it’s not just progressives wrangling for control. Quite a few conservative/corporate democrats are also heavily invested in winning these races. They’ve got a ton of money behind them, in anticipation of Dems retaking the House in 2027. And there are a number of foreign governments all putting their own fingers on the scales to make sure their interests are represented in our World Police State run out of DC.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
I’ve seen estimates much closer to 20-30%, depending on state. Even then, a lot of these races are very localized and not well understood thanks to the geographic and population size of the districts in question. Look at the Texas statewide races. The only candidates that got any meaningful attention were the Senate primary between Talarico (a person you probably never heard of until Colbert had him on) and Crockett (a Congresswoman largely popularized through her appearances on the Congressional investigatory committee on UAFs). The gubernatorial race - arguably the most important statewide race on the ballot - went straight under the radar. A bunch of (heavily gerrymandered) US House seats got even less attention thanks to the expensive media markets and expansive voting districts. Literally who do you vote for in the TX-35 US House race? Do you recognize any of these people? Then you’ve got the outright uncontested positions - Texas AG, Texas Land Commissioner, Comptroller, a bunch of judges.
I’m friends with the guy running for the railroad commissioner down in Texas, and he’s an incredible progressive politician. He’s got my vote 1000x over. But this is arguably the third most powerful position in the state. Rosenthal took it totally uncontested. If he wins statewide in November, it won’t be thanks to an enormous campaign war chest or high name recognition. He’ll ride in on a Vote Blue No Matter Who landslide.
You need large party structures to introduce people to these candidates and advocate on their behalf. In much of the US, this party structure has been neglected if not outright dismantled. This isn’t a voter problem, it is a party problem. And it is one progressives/socialists can exploit, if they can rally the numbers and the financials to do it.
You can’t push the party left if you never hold them accountable. Biden was literally conducting a genocide in Gaza and you people were talking about Trump is going to be worse. What the fuck is worse than death? You have trained your politicians that you don’t care what they do as long as it’s them doing it
Lest we forget ICE is wildly popular with corporate democrats.
These suburban democrats like Chilidogg really piss me off with how they think we aren’t voting hard enough. We aren’t the ones you need to lecture about primaries. It’s your neighbors who say shit like “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal”
And don’t get me started on how the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie.
Trump has been worse you fucking moron. In every way. Millions are dying from USAID cuts in addition to Gaza, where he’s openly called for the permanent removal of the Palestinians to build fucking resorts. He’s bombed multiple other countries, killing more innocents than ever. He’s deployed gestapo on the streets, gutted healthcare and the administrative state, and sent people to concentration camps. He’s assaulted every civil liberty and shit on every international ally while engaging in open corruption and starting wars for no reason except to take attention away from the fact that he and his buddies he’s protecting rape children.
How was Biden worse than this?
And you hold dems accountable in the primaries. Fetterman is a traitor - so primary his ass. It’s not that complicated, and works a lot better than sticking your head in the sand on election day then bitching about the GOP’s actions.
How was Biden worse than this?
no one said biden was worse, but biden loaded the gun and let the fascists start shooting.
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Yah I never for that. Republicans in power they can do anything. Democrats in power well we have to follow protocol and tradition and nothing gets done.
Democrats will brag about the number of people they deport and regimes they change when they’re in charge
That’s because Americans refuse to primary sitting democrats. So they’re more concerned about winning over republican voters.
It’s literally that simple.
That’s because Americans refuse to primary sitting democrats.
Americans routinely try and fail to oust Dem incumbents.
Oh 100%. If you haven’t already you should watch Knock The House Down .
Regardless of how you feel about AOC, the way she was elected is how Americans take their democracy back from the corporate democrats.
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Grass roots electoral movements to support primary candidates.
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A candidate nomination and qualification process that bypasses power hungry career politicians.
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Run the numbers game knowing the deck is stacked against us at every step and the only way to win is decisively with significant margins.
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If it was easy it would have already been done. If it was impossible they wouldn’t be desperately disenfranchising voters.
Aoc has the most diverse district in the nation, yes, she’s great but that’s not working anywhere else besides the four or five districts that have progressive reps.
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This is propaganda. Vote blue. Some of y’all are real messed up in your echo chambers here, get some reality.
Fuck off with your liberalism, liberals helped get us to where we are right now
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Oh so, this clown is back?
Ok. Which political party in the US is doing the most to impede MAGA right now? Haven’t seen any socialists or communists make any progress.
They’re doing nothing to impede MAGA, BlueMAGA is complicit in every action that MAGA does. Fascism has always needed a complicit weak liberal party
leave
Idk why I should leave, you seem to have the unpopular opinion here sir.
liberalism is in direct conflict with the left. Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.
No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.
Or vote in good Democrats, still a shame Kat Abughazaleh lost in her district.
There are no good Democrats, they talk as if they are good people but they are not
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just ban this guy already. he’s clearly a troll.
Good democrats? LOL
These are in single digits and there aren’t enough of them to make a difference when they are outnumbered 1 to 100.
Both parties are fascist and need to go and at least 50 new parties need be created. Each state should have at least one party.
Hey, there’s less combative ways to put things, not even saying this directly for you but ostensibly we’re on the same side, can we go back to taking to each other like human beings.
Liberals and Communists/socialists/lefitists are not on the same side as liberals, we don’t even want the same thing
That’s wrong, though. Both groups are aligned against fascists.
Good democrats? LOL
Good people exist in these parties. They’re the work horses of the party.
Any time one of them goes for a significant leadership position, the rest of the party leadership turns on them like an autoimmune disease.
Kat’s a good example of this. Mamdani is another. The LA City Council has a bunch of goodies. But they are in the slim minority.
Both parties are fascist
Plenty of lay members and low level staffers are liberal, progressive, or even outright socialist.
If you’re not going to support them when they try and take power, might as well just leave the whole NATO block and become a Sandinista or Chavismo.
Seems like you haven’t read my comment, because that’s exactly what I said, just not in such nice words.
Both parties are rotten to the core, a few good apples in the democratic party won’t save the USA from falling further.
You need to look at the reasons how the USA ended up in such a position to begin with.
There’s no saving America when there are only two parties and both are fascist and controlled by billionaires.
a few good apples in the democratic party won’t save the USA from falling further.
A few rotten apples in the democratic party gave us the modern day DLC. These movements all have to plant their seeds somewhere. And its nihilistic - and deeply ahistorical - to believe these institutional organizations are immune to change. The Whigs very famously collapsed, almost overnight, after the 1852 election and gave birth to Radical Republicanism. The Kennedy/LBJ administration dragged Dixiecrats out of the dark ages, kicking and screaming.
You need to look at the reasons how the USA ended up in such a position to begin with.
Most of them are geographic and historical. We’re physically isolated from the hotbed of historical conflicts, pandemic wiped out the native population creating an abundance of free real estate, and all this happened at the advent of industrialization.
There’s no saving America when there are only two parties
In most of the US, there’s really only one functioning party and one rump opposition. Material opposition has to come from somewhere. Traditionally, that is via the party structure. New parties can emerge from the cadavers of the old. And the DSA is as good a vehicle for an alternative party structure as anything I’ve seen to date.
Vote independent or “3rd party”.
Stop voting for the purple party.
