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Its gonna be sooooooo nerdy
LET HIM ADAPT THE HOBBIT AND HAVE IT ONLY BE ONE FUCKING MOVIE i will die on this hill. and the next one i am not good at hill climbs
I dunno, man. I’m super torn on this one. On the one hand, Stephen Colbert is a lovely human who very obviously has a deep passion and lifelong interest in these stories, and I’m genuinely happy for him that he gets to live what must be a dream come true.
On the other, Hollywood’s past treatment of Tolkien’s work, excepting the three original movies, is like watching a meth’ed out homeless guy beat your favorite uncle to death and piss on his corpse.
I’d say I’m tentatively optimistic.
excepting the three original movies
I think I’ll assume you mean the first three Peter Jackson movies, which were not the original film adaptations.
Let’s not forget the Finnish Hobbit!
Original live action.
Thank you, internet pedant. You’ve truly saved Lemmy.
Technically speaking the Bakshi versions were, in a sense, live action since they were all rotoscoped.
“Hey, the guy playing Aragorn tripped over his own sword? Should we fix that?”
“Nah, fuck it, leave it.”
i love the bakshis
I’ve seen Colbert nerd out on it. If they insist on milking the franchise, and anyone should be thrown into a writers room, they got the right dude.
Colbert is a true blue Silmarillion toting Tolkienist. I think he even did something with Iarwain Ben-adar even before the announced movie.
Yeah Colbert is definitely a card carrying Tolkien nerd. As am I, and although it’s never ideal for IPs to be milked in this fashion, in the case of LOTR I can’t honestly say it bothers me. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Asoiaf? Those over milked franchises can fuck all the way off.
But LOTR has such tremendous depth and cultural value that I think it’s still got milk to spare. Obviously these won’t stand up to the original trilogy, but if they’re at least decent, they can easily be justified because they will continue to maintain the cultural relevance of LOTR as a whole and hopefully renew the interest of younger fans. After all, a good chunk of zoomers and beyond have probably never seen the original films, given their prohibitive length and release dates.
The Hobbit films were pretty bad but I’m still happy they exist, and after watching the appendices it’s more understandable why they didn’t turn out so great. So if they can at least make something better and more faithful than those, I’ll be delighted. It’s also a good decision to keep the stories rooted to the original trilogy. It seems pretty hard to fuck these up too badly, as long as the writers stay humble. Just fill in the gaps that existed in the original trilogy and don’t try to do too much. It’d be cool to get some flashbacks to the scouring of the Shire.
P.S. Rings of Power is absolute trash, I noped out after the first season. So there definitely is a way to fuck it up, but I’ve already explained why there’s reason to hope for the best in this case.
after watching the appendices it’s more understandable why they didn’t turn out so great.
what’s the central idea?
Basically there were a lot of lawsuits going back and forth in the pre-production that ultimately resulted in Guillermo Del Toro leaving the as director after nearly two years of planning and developing the films according to his vision. Then Peter Jackson had to step in as director with minimal preparation time and he essentially winged the whole thing. It was originally planned as two films but was expanded to three at the last minute. They were also using all sorts of cutting edge technology in the filming process and the sheer scale of the films would have been daunting enough even with adequate time to prepare.
As per Jackson
Because Guillermo del Toro had to leave and I jumped in and took over, we didn’t wind the clock back a year and a half and give me a year and a half prep to design the movie, which was different to what he was doing. It was impossible, and as a result of it being impossible I just started shooting the movie with most of it not prepped at all. You’re going on to a set and you’re winging it, you’ve got these massively complicated scenes, no storyboards and you’re making it up there and then on the spot. I spent most of The Hobbit feeling like I was not on top of it. Even from a script point of view, Fran [Walsh], Philippa [Boyens] and I hadn’t got the entire scripts written to our satisfaction, so that was a very high pressure situation
You can read a slightly more detailed explanation in the wikipedia article.
the series probably cost so much, it took away money from thier other shows neglecting them. invincible quality animations got more and more worst over the seasons.
It’s so frustrating that they will spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a series, but they end up basing it on a moronic script so all that money is essentially wasted. And I’m not even blaming the scriptwriters because I’m sure it’s ultimately the fault of the businessmen who have no conception of what constitutes good and meaningful art, but insist on meddling with the creative process anyway.
It’s also kind of cute because he’s been writing the script with his son for two years. Certainly a dream come true for the guy.
Colbert on Monday revealed that the film will be based on “Fogs on the Barrow-downs,” the eighth chapter of The Fellowship of the Ring, where Hobbits are trapped by a Barrow-wight in an unnatural fog. The story also includes a fan favorite character omitted from the previous films, Tom Bombadil. The movie will be derived from chapters three through eight of Tolkien’s landmark book.
Could be very interesting. Those were interesting chapters but I understand why they had to skip over them.
opinion changed yeah this is right. i mourned the loss of tom bombadil.
and all the singing
oh my Eru, he’s making a Tom Bombadil feature film!
It could be a musical. Not a good one, but a musical none the less.
The story also includes a fan favorite character omitted from the previous films, Tom Bombadil.
Not this fan. I bounced off the books so many times in my teenage years, because even though they were this great iconic series that defined a genre, suddenly there’s a comic relief bit. Every time I got there, I put the book down assuming there would just be more of it to come. It was only when I mentioned my frustration with it to someone and they told me it’s just that one scene, that I forced myself through it
Suffice to say, I won’t be rushing to see a Tom Bombadil movie…
I only got as far through the books as I did because I was commuting 2 hours a day and needed something to occupy my brain during the 100 miles of driving I was doing each day. Didn’t finish the third book because that job I was commuting to ended up making up a reason to fire me when I was about a week away from finishing it, and I just didn’t feel like slogging through the remaining 8 hours on my own time
Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wight are honestly both really memorable parts of the book. Tom Bombadil happened to just be an ancient spirit that had aligned values with the hobbits and clearly used a form of magick heavily infused with music. He showed up just as the peril was becoming more than the hobbits could handle at that stage and happened to be the one force strong enough to protect them as they had to quickly learn the scale and scope of the peril they faced.
I’m disappointed he was cut from the films, but I get why they did cut him from the already 3+ hour long film
I love Tolkien, his books and movie adaptations. I am not a big follower of fan fiction though, even though I am a Colbert fan.
The irony of losing your job to Larry Ellison’s shit politics, then moving to WB just in time for Ellison to buy that studio, too.
But LOTR is perfect.
He can redirect the hobbit if he wants.
sounds like it’s more of an epilogue to LOTR.
The Lord of the Rings: Shadow of the Past is set 14 years after the passing of Frodo. Sam, Merry and Pippin set out to retrace the first steps of their adventure.
3 old hobbits travel around to relive old glories… the bucket list in Middle Earth?
The only way I would consider this acceptable is if by “first steps if their adventure” what they mean is the whole section that the movie trilogy skips (tom bombadil, the barrow down, etc).
That might actually be the case because I believe they actually have rights to that material since it’s part of the original trilogy.
Colbert on Monday revealed that the film will be based on “Fogs on the Barrow-downs,” the eighth chapter of The Fellowship of the Ring, where Hobbits are trapped by a Barrow-wight in an unnatural fog. The story also includes a fan favorite character omitted from the previous films, Tom Bombadil. The movie will be derived from chapters three through eight of Tolkien’s landmark book.
It looks like that’s the case!
At the very least this demonstrates some deliberation and intent behind the project.
Turns into a drunk, stoned on pipeweed, just trying to get to Mordor comedy adventure film
Pineapple Express: Mordor
Dude where’s my shadowmere?
Merry and pippin go to helms deep
Do they finally have sex with each other?
They’re cousins.
I’m not hearing a “no”
Your point?
so yes?
Frodo died??? Has anyone told…uh…the other characters???
He passed across the great sea into Valinor. He eventually dies there, but he’s presumably still alive at the time when the movie is set, 14 years after he left Middle-Earth.
Silmarillion maybe?
Like trying to make a movie out of the Bible, cover to cover
Maybe he’s gonna do The Silmarillion
I don’t think the Tolkien estate is willing to option Silmarillion or any other content. Far as I know, all of the film and TV content is based on a single, very old license agreement from before they soured on film and video. As a result it only covers The Hobbit and LOTR. The Amazon show was therefore restricted to the LOTR appendices only.
I love pointing out that Amazon made an entire show out of footnotes.
and it really shows with how stretched out and shit that show’s writing is. They would’ve been better off to make it a comparatively short trilogy at best and not a series even if they kept all of the odd choices.
That’s good. I think he’ll be happier once he leaves CBS. Besides, late night television is a dying art anyways.
Wait, this is real?
I thought it was AI-generated fake news when I saw a friend sharing it yesterday lol
That makes sense, even if it doesn’t make any sense
Meanwhile, Sam’s daughter, Elanor, has discovered a long-buried secret and is determined to uncover why the War of the Ring was very nearly lost before it even began.
Is this based on anything written by Tolkien? It smells like a boring second story forced by executives because “we need to appeal to female viewers”. I don’t necessarily mind having another thing happening, as long as it comes together eventually (this is a film, after all), but these tend to feel low effort and distracting in my experience. They always assign it to the token female character, like they can’t be bothered to find a way to make her part of the actual story.
The epilogue does state that Elanor was given the red book (the in universe writing of the Lord of the Rings made by Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam) and she was a maid of honor to Arwen, and was named by Frodo. Colbert stated the story would adapt chapters from The Fellowship of the Ring such as the Barrow Downs and such stuff. So there’s at least a foundation in what Tolkien wrote.
Thanks for the info!
