I got tired of my he front loading washer leaking and fucking up, I went through 3 of them. Got them all serviced and they just never worked great to begin with. Said fuck it and got a speed queen top loader with knobs and one button. Fuckin love it. Bonus points too, I put a magnet on the side of it from my parents old laundry business with our name and old phone number. My dad only had speed queens in the business. Now I know why. Shit just works.
Well, they worked forever because you could get them fixed. They will break down but you could repair them yourself or get it repaired. Unsure about whitegoods, but small appliances these days are expected to end up in landfill; no exposed screws and everything is glued in.
My modern fridge automatically defrost itself and has an incredibly silent compressor. More than once I forgot to close the freezer door correctly and still it’s not covered in ice on the inside. It uses so little energy into its day to day operation.
My modern drier has a heat pump built in to effeciently heat the air. It also detects how long it needs to run to get my clothes to the perfect dryness.
My modern dishwasher has a heat exchanger system to retain the heat from the dirty water to warm the fresh water. This saves energy.
Modern devices maybe have their problems. Sometimes with cheaper components or worse repairability. But don’t pretend like the only innovation we had over the years was to add wifi to your appliances.
Age of an appliance is not an indicator of its quality. Quality is an indicator of quality, back then, there was as mush trash quality products as today, only difference is, they did not live long enough to be remembered.
Also, electrical appliances were way, WAY more expensive than today.
I wish I could find another chest freezer like the one we had in texas. Thing was 400lbs of insulation with a compressor that withstood 25+ years of texas garage heat. Never failed once.
They weren’t smart enough to maximize shareholder value :P
^as said by somebody who never had to replace the motor on their washer, or the burned on their range, or the belt on their dryer, or the elements in the water heater…
The reason they always worked forever was because your dad bought replacement parts from the appliance repair store and didn’t complain to you about it.
This is literally one of the top 3 good things about YouTube
have repaired my oven twice (15 years) and dryer three times (16 years). it’s amazing how many appliances can be repaired if people just take the time to dig into it.
unless it has a screen. fuck everything about that shit.
We tried to repair our washing machine but the fuckers designed it in such a way that the drum and bearing or something of the sort are inseparabale and thus you cannot just replace rhe bearing which was fucked in ours but you have to get the whole assembly. So instead of a probably 50-100€ worth of parts the repair would be in the 200-300€ range and at that point it made no sense spending that much money on a 6 year old machine.
I wish companies understood that no, I don’t need my washing machine to be connected to WiFi
Yeah, but they want their washing machine in your home to have wifi.
You can buy appliances without smart features still?
Best Buy has dozens, if not hundreds, of fridges without smart features. I can buy a 18cu top freezer fridge for $450 right now.
That same type of fridge back in the 1970s cost $300-$400. Adjusted for inflation that’s $2,000
So I don’t get this post. You can buy cheap fridges still and it’ll probably last a long time if you take care of it. Read repair reports or Google random problems for a fridge you’re looking to buy to see the most common failure points and see what the repair cost would be to factor in future costs.
Stupid post.
Survivorship bias.
“They built them better in the old days, look at this one that survived” whilst ignoring the millions of fridges and washing machines that ended up in landfill and scrap metal yards.
Not quite. The lesser the complexity, the longer the life. Even if both use the same cheap hardware to begin with. More systems => more areas where it could fail and eventually will.
And don’t forget planned obsolescence. That was no thing back in the days.
How did you see my comment? I realised someone else had written the same thing and deleted it
Lol…it’s just there. It still is. At least for me
Weird. So basically deleting a comment does nothing
Just got rid of my fancy younger washer after spending $240 on repairs for the second time only to have it fail again.
Went and pulled my ancient Whirlpool direct drive out of storage, spent $15 on the replacement clutch and coupler it needed and threw them in there.
Thing turns 30 years old this year and it’s going like a champ.
And probably uses 3 times the energy. My drier has a heatpump built in. I can’t imagen the old one has that. Things get more complex net just to fuck with you but because they innovate.
Survivorship bias. All the ones that broke aren’t around anymore.
Another issue is we’ve been trained to treat major appliances as disposable. Back in the day you called a repairman.
For example, my mom’s washer stopped doing the spin cycle. She immediately hopped on Consumer Reports to shop for a new one.
I hopped on an appliance parts website and ordered her a new lid switch for $15. One YouTube video later and her washer worked like new.
My fridge stopped working correctly, only the freezer part would actually cool. I called the local service company. Tech came when I wasn’t home, told my partner “compressor’s broken, though shit” , took 60€ and left.
My combination washer dryer has stopped drying. From what I gather it seems like a compressor gas leak, guess what? Too expensive to fix, so I would have to throw away several tens of kilos of machine just because of a fart’s worth of gas.
I have a Neato robot vacuum which I’ve kept clean and repaired for years, only for fucking Vorwerk, may they go bankrupt tomorrow, to shut down its servers, so now it’s dumb as a rock and next to useless.
It’s not your mother’s fault for assuming a malfunctioning appliance must be replaced.
to shut down its servers, so now it’s dumb as a rock and next to useless.
I hate this so much. There’s no reason a robot vacuum should require internet access to function. Companies only do it for tighter control of their products, to track your usage, to have the ability to paywall features, and to have the ability to disable it so you have to buy a new one.
It’s doubly fucked in that I have a smart home where everything is controlled locally without the cloud, and this vacuum was the only thing that wasn’t.
That’s very much the plot to Cory Doctorow’s short story Unauthorized Bread. The toaster company turned off the servers and some people got real tech savvy real quick.
The enshittification of everything will eventually lead to some small companies making good quality long lasting appliances I hope, they will make a good name for themselves and have easily repairable parts, but since we live in the real world whirlpool or GE will buy them keep the branding and make it more “intelligent” and easily breakable by adding computer parts that aren’t needed and plastic parts that will fail and not be able to be repaired or replaced.
Don’t count on it. Instant Pot managed to sell so many units they’re in what seems like almost every kitchen. And then that was that, because everyone already had one, so their sales volume plummeted and they went bankrupt. I still use mine all the time, but the original company went away.
Back in the day you called a repairman.
That guy’s time is worth probably $30/hour, so if you want to use up his 8 hour day you’d better be willing to pay $240, plus parts, plus the gas money of driving his truck to your home, plus the cost of keeping those parts on hand and the truck available.
Or if it’s something he knows is only a half day job, then he can book something else so that he only really needs to charge you $120.
Now that a lot of these appliances are like $500, it’s pretty hard to justify the cost of professional repair.
50 years ago, when the price of an appliance was something like 50 hours of a repairman’s hourly wage, it made a lot of sense for most issues to be fixed by a professional. Now that these appliances are worth like 15-20 worker hours, it’s much harder to justify.
They only cost 15-20h of work because they’re built like a pile of leafs in the wind. Look at it wrong and it’ll break.
Also, appliances were way more expensive – both to purchase and (thanks to wasteful energy etc. usage) to operate. Bens Appliances and Junk has a good video on this that I imagine a lot of people are drawing on in this thread.
The problem is that they’re not designed to be repairable
They were way more repairable though. We had a gas dryer that lasted 40 years and was only replaced because we moved somewhere without gas.
It was basically a big egg timer with an electric motor and a gas burner. You could fix anything on it with a crescent wrench, screwdriver, and off-the-shelf components from the hardware store for about 9 bucks.
The replacement dryer has had to have $1000+ circuit boards replaced more than once.
The WTF here is not necessarily that some component on the circuit board failed, but that the manufacturer charges $400-$1000 for it with a straight face and gets away with it when they undoubtedly have that board made in China for about $4 per unit.
The big thing you and a lot of posters are missing is what happens when those parts aren’t made anymore. With a standard motor that uses a start capacitor, you can get that cap or motor as a generic part or from another manufacturer, if your modern appliance eats its vfd board now, you can replace it for $$$. If it dies in 8 years, its probably already been discontinued and you are sol even if you wanted to pay for it.
Not necessarily. Less parts, less complex mechanisms = lower probability of something breaking down.
Also there was a time where companies actually cared. They would send the engineers for the next model out with service techs servicing current models to help them find the common failure points and help make things more servicable.
Also there was a time where companies actually cared.
:-/
Planned Obselence was pioneered nearly a century ago. You might have individual service reps or salesman with a soul. But no company has ever carried about more than profits.
Longevity was supposedly a goal for manufacturers in the GDR.
in the GDR
Yes, but that’s Evil Communism. Didn’t you see the movie “The Dryers of Others”?
Also imprecise engineering tended to overbuild things.
Thanks to better manufacturing techniques, engineering analysis, and the fine humans in management, we have gotten really good at barely building a machine that lasts just long enough to be out of warranty.
Increase in precision (materially and economically) then leads to rebound effects; higher precision should lead to lower material flows, but the opposite happens because the technological progress broadens the market when possible
But there’s WAY more surviving devices from 1960 in 2020 than there will be from 2020 in 2080.
Yeah also forever means from when you were 8 until you moved out, only 12 years… Appliances can still do that today.
Look at Mr Moneybags over here, with enough money to move out
Samsung has left the chat…
Right but none of the ones made these days last. Some > none.
I’m assuming CFC might have been a better coolant, that’s why those old fridges are so good
Adjusted for inflation, they also cost ~$3,000 each.
If you want a simple, basic, but very reliable appliance and are willing to pay $3,000 for it, there are brands existing today that will sell one to you.
(Or, you know, just buy some old used ones and make minor repairs if necessary.)
Useless em dash -_-
Ah, the good old days when your “dumb” refrigerator would kill children playing hide and seek because the latch wouldn’t open from the inside. When it was lined with asbestos because that’s literally the best insulation that exists excepting aerogel. When the mercury thermostat would fail—leaking mercury on to your food (and aerosolizing some which would be breathed in as soon as you opened it)—and it would freeze everything inside, complete with an interior wall of snow that could take days to defrost. It used old school freon, destroying the ozone layer. Or before then, fun highly toxic gasses like methyl chloride!
Those were the days! When a breeze through the house on a day with wonderful weather could blow out the pilot light in your oven, slowly leaking gas into your house, exploding and destroying the entire home late at night while everyone is asleep.
Then the wonders of electricity came along to produce ovens that were hooked up to 220V lines without a grounding wire, and wiring that would slowly fail over time, eventually making contact with the metal frame, electrocuting anyone who touched the device—or anyone that touched the person touching it.
Ovens were built different “back in the day”! They didn’t have anti-tip brackets, resulting in loads of children sitting on the oven door, spilling boiling liquids down upon them.
The best were those old washing machines, though! You could lift up the lid and look inside to see your laundry spinning at high speeds! Just don’t reach your hand in, or you could find out what the term “degloving” means.
Ah yes, the good old days of appliances.
Well, you obviously speak for the USA. And despite things like thermal cutoffs or automatic shutoffs, things were pretty safe here (Germany) in the 60-90s.
Also, there is a difference between general advancements in safety regulations and putting tons of unnecessary features in a device that will break soon. No Tesla of today will probably still be going in 50yrs or after 500.000km.
The higher the complexity, the higher the chance of failure.
And on top of it, there was no “planned obsolescence” or even suicides switches built in. Bad for capitalism, good for people.
MAGA!
/s
But they had more fun colours for appliances
