The Untied States should have their independence revoked
Well yeah. It takes violence to stop violence, and we’ve been brain washed in schools with the “Zero Tolerance Policy” that retaliating is worse than being a bully. Kids who defended themselves from aggressors often were either the only ones punished, or punished far worse than the instigator. That’s been going on for at least 2-3 decades in said schools. It has obviously made a bunch of adults too afraid of doing the right thing.
It’s why we hold parades instead of protests with the threat of escalation. If we really wanted to make changes, Republicans and their minions(ICE) would not have homes to live in, or comfortable lives. Same for their enablers.
We would have taken them off the board and held special elections as populace. Still can, and will still need to when we have finally had enough. That or a foreign power will do it for us, but then they get to make the rules instead of “We The People”.
You’re very much on the right track, but I think it goes much much deeper than violence. It goes to self-reliance.
Go back to the time of the Framers. If you wanted something to happen, literally anything at all, you had to do it yourself. Criminal stealing your shit? By the time you get to town to ask for help he’ll be gone, so either say goodbye to your shit (and maybe your wife too) or grab your rifle and confront him. Government not doing what you want? Grab your pitchfork and head to City Hall, or run for office yourself. Feeling hungry? Better start cooking. Want to have meat this winter? Better start raising a cow today. Bully picking on you? Better learn to fight his ass. Your house is broken? Better grab a hammer and a saw because nobody else’s gonna help fix it.
Over the last 100ish years, that attitude has been slowly changing. Individual self-reliance has given way to a sort of mutualist service society where self-reliance is no longer the norm, it’s no longer the exception, it’s become almost an outlier.
Criminal stealing your shit? Call the police and hide until they arrive. Government not doing what you want? Write a letter or whine about it online. Feeling hungry? Grab your phone because food’s an Uber Eats order away. Your house is broken? Call a repairman or a carpenter.
What’s missing there? Any kind of self-reliance, self-empowerment to solve your own problems. Every problem involves asking or paying someone else to fix it for you.
I argue that the result of this is a society of people who’ve forgotten that they DO have the power to solve their own problems.I don’t blame malice for this, I blame a combination of laziness along with a LOT of well-meaning people and policies that only further disenfranchise the populace from their own agency, usually in the name of safety. You mention zero tolerance for bullying, that’s certainly one as it teaches the victim not to fight back. Police say the same thing though- police always say if confronted with a threat just give the criminal what they want and run away when you can.
There’s pockets of resistance to this sort of attitude, but they are largely isolated and focused on their own agendas without real connection. The most obvious might be gun owners and the concealed carry movement. But there’s plenty of others- the open source community, the right to repair movement, the maker community, the free range parenting movement, and just about any other DIY community. They’re all focused on their own individual niche, but the attitude is the same-- you CAN do ____ yourself, you DON’T need someone else to do it for you.
We need more of that. And I think it starts with school curriculum. If I was in charge, I’d take one academic semester out of high school (or at least a few credit hours) and devote it to purely empowering and constructive practical lessons. Wood shop, auto repair, plumbing/electrical, coding, cooking, industrial design, financial planning, etc. I don’t think this should be optional electives to bypass, I believe these lessons are just as important as reading writing and maths, because if we create kids that are book smart but life stupid, we’re doing them a disservice. And that’s what we’re doing now.
For our society to find our way out of this, we (the population) need to empower ourselves, recognize that we are NOT helpless, and take back agency over our lives.
Unfortunately I think that won’t happen until either a. a real leader comes along who can energize people- think Obama before his first term, but with actual balls to FIGHT rather than watering everything down. Bernie could have been that. But I think we need another MLK type person. Or b, things get a good bit worse, for the population to stop desperately trying to stay afloat in a rigged game and instead doing a table-flip rejection of the rigged system.
Au contraire, a truly “mutualist” society would never fall for the bullshit that is happening.
If everyone had trust and a good working relationship with their neighbors and solidarity with their working class comrades, the US capitalist class and therefore the government in its current form would quickly cease to exist.
The problem is specifically that the US capitalists inserted themselves as unavoidable middlemen into every aspect of US life. Notice how you’re not getting food from your community kitchen, you’re getting food from Uber Eats. You’re not usually calling a repairman from your local community, you’re calling a company that sends one out to you. You’re not getting help from your community militia, you’re getting it from an armed wing of the bourgeois government.
(ironically, this was possible to do through years or “rugged individualism” propaganda, that you are repeating here; other things like car dependency also made things worse)
This lack of local community is a big part of why there is so little organized protest. It’s very difficult to rile up your neighbors to take up arms and meaningfully protest when you barely even know them. This would apply even more in your imagined scenario of everyone becoming individualists who raise their own cows - people wouldn’t even have time to protest because they would spend all of it on their own survival, and those who stick their head up are easily arrested and thrown into jail, with noone to protect them.
Everything you have written here, I agree with. I think the self-reliance or even community reliance is what’s missing here. That service reliance is a big factor in our learned helplessness.
It truly is just a giant mess, with many confounding factors. I hope others take the time to read what you wrote.
Piss off a bunch of french and you got a mob hunting you down.
Piss off a bunch of americans and they will still go solo at you, like minions in a movie, because grouping together is considering an evil socialism there.
That’s not fair, they can be duped by a senile conman to storm the capital and shit on a desk as a group.
Probably worried it would make them look gay.
brb, off to make an educational video on the merits of announcing “no homo” and how the simple declaration can restore order and civility.
Lindsay Graham is always worried he’ll be outed as gay- wait we arent talking about Lindsay? Oh
… Ill wait over here.
Guns were a protection from the government in 1800s, not anymore. Arm the unions with missile launchers.
They are. Just only the police unions.
I don’t understand why people are acting like half the country didn’t want him. Present them with any other option and they will still choose him even today.
Edit: To those who keep discussing how people didn’t vote, please realize that is still a choice. If you didn’t vote then you may as well have voted for him regardless.
Im still trying to figure out how people like you think half the population voted for him. He won a plurality, which means more than his opponent. A majority is over 50%.
Only <65% people of voting age even voted (including 3rd party candidates). He didnt even win a majority amongst only those who voted. And who of the remaining 35%+ is fascist or anti-fascist? They’re pretty vocal, now.
Any other option lmao. Dude, he’s the least popular president in history. What are you huffing?
Regardless of supporting someone who attempted to overthrow our government, he is surrounded by convicted rapists and pedophiles. Why would he do that?
Regardless of his fascination with dictators and his love of rapists and pedophiles, his Iran war BS is being used explicitly for stock market manipulation. Presidents are not allowed to manipulate the stock market for profit. They actually have some pretty specific rules about what kind of money they can gain, use, and their possession of property is typically very scrutinized for a variety of reasons.
A rapist and pedophile loving, dictator admiring, stock market manipulating, genocide supporting and threatening, wonderful president.
Let me ask: Who won in 2020?
Almost half of the voting population clearly saw the possibility of him becoming a president again, and decided that preventing that is not worth an afternoon of their time. That’s a choice. That’s a direct, active action that those people did.
Most of americans were either in favour or a pedo becoming their king, or didn’t see anything wrong with it.I wouldn’t say that. There’s a lot of disenfranchisement going on with many people across the country. They could still be able to vote but for a myriad of reasons simply be unable to.
I guess so, but I don’t think even with those people included, the statistics will change a lot. Unless there is way more people who were barred from voting, like, millions more. Which means there is so much deeper issue underlying all that, and nobody really talks and knows about it. Which will be so much worse.
“Didnt have time because they were working to avoid homelessness” is also an option. That isnt a direct, active decision. Voting and getting your ballot thrown out isnt your fault, either.
A lot of ancient people who dont need to work are the ones voting against their, and our, best interests. Voter suppression, throwing out millions of valid democratic ballots, extra ballots with only Trump on them, a lot of interesting things happened in 2024.
Most people didnt vote for Trump. Most people who didnt vote who would have, actually abstained due to the success of the anti-Kamala Palestinian propoganda. It was a whole ultra-liberal BS thing that I saw a ton of. Some people certainly didnt care, but your phrasing makes it sound like you believe a majority of people wanted Trump in power. That is simply untrue.
Our country did what it usually does when it gets too comfortable: Get extremely angsty and shoot ourselves in the foot because we think one candidate is so obviously evil they cant win. We are (and this is true) as smart as a headless ostrich. Overconfidence and a lot of moral grandstanding got us where we are.
Hope you’re happy, idiots. Thats not directed at you, just annoyed the comparison between eating gross tasting food vs trying to eat shards of glass resulted in people choosing shards of glass. George Carlin had a piece on something very similar, I just cant remember the exact quote.
Only <65% people of voting age even voted
That’s because democrat voters couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a woman.
They said her problem was that she smiled too much… Then the country chose the rapist who’s destroying them as we speak.
American voters from both sides are responsible for all the death and suffering caused by their president.
And somehow it’s never their fault.
he’s the least popular president in history
Still he was elected by the american people, after being a convicted rapist and trying to overthrow democracy in the USA.
Americans should be ashamed that he even was a candidate.
Don’t try to make excuses, americans did this.
A lot of people take no responsibility for their choices
Trillions being spent on a curated entertainment system (and protecting it) really does that. Fox Entertainment News (the real name of the show) is just allowed to misrepresent themselves as a non-satirical platform, though thats what they argued they were in court to try to get around lying constantly. They got sued due to election lies propogated by them on behalf of Trump. We know why now, its the threat of public humiliation (not even prison time) for wealthy people. If people find out Bezos eats babies, that wont stop Amazon from being profitable. People will just be repulsed by him to a further degree.
There needs to be a genuine mechanism for punishing media outlets for spreading malicious lies that literally resulted in a terrorist attack on the capital of the country. Like, what?
Yes, the laziness and assumed victory due to volume of people who were anti-Trump, and people who felt safe being anti-Kamala while voting for moral grandstanding reasons, thinking they wouldnt get punished by Trump winning because it seemed impossible, definitely fucked us over immensely. Propoganda is just better when you have a system that exerts absolute control over everything you see, hear, and read.
I live in a small republican town. They literally have no idea whats happening in the world around them. I spread the knowledge of what ICE is doing, and a tiny bit of change has happened. There are a LOT less redcaps and more people half-joking about ICE. Someone literally made a joke about calling them for a mexican standoff. I live around some racist people who dont care about deportations, until you describe and prove the conditions those poor people are forced to live in. Everyone they know watches fox. Everywhere has it playing on a tv in the corner, even a lot of stores do. Its hard to crack that egg because they’re just SO FREAKIN INSULATED FROM REALITY. These are people who vote, but only hear about politics and the world outside their lives through their kids, when they listen to them.
These cudgel wielding, clay tablet carving asspickers are why we’re here. Rupert Murdoch is a large part of why we’re here. Poor education is 100% at fault for this. Im just around average intelligence and the people in this town think Im a genius. Great for my ego, terrifying for our future. Im not smart enough to make decisions about our future, or to completely understand what we’re living through. If thats smart, we’re fucked.
Yes, the people are definitely to blame. I fully agree. Anti-Kamala moral grandstanding and refusing to vote ruined us. I hope everyone who didnt vote for moral reasons sleeps well, knowing they incited and supported multiple genocides, including the one they were a widdle angwy about. We couldve fixed that with public opinion. We cant fix a dictator who has a psychotic koolaid following of people who genuinely think he’s never done anything wrong. Some people here think 1/6 was a hoax or a protest, if they even know about it. Im not saying it isnt the fault of the people, but there was definitely a lot of money and cheating (as per usual) put into that election.
If you honestly thought that was true, aren’t you saying it was irresponsible of the Dems to run a woman when the election was supposed to be an existential matter?
Maybe you’re right, maybe it was irresponsible of them to trust the intelligence of americans.
They obviously don’t, which is why they didn’t run a primary.
But let’s pretend that it was sexism that kade Harris lose. Isn’t failing to anticipate that a huge error by Democratic leadership, who anointed Harris?
Correction, voters couldn’t bring themselves to vote for an incompetent candidate. The Democrats had years to find someone electable and failed. Biden was a self-stated bridge candidate. Orange Julius was elected because the Democrats failed.
She was and still is objectively the most competent candidate, saying otherwise is exactly what enables trump. His propaganda works with you.
If she was competent she would have won the election. Just look at what she was running against. A clearly deteriorating Joe Biden was able to beat him in 2020 and buy the DNC some time to get their shit together. Why are some unable to see that the Democrats own a big chunk of where we are today?
Are you aware that the Biden administration, as a condition of Joe stepping aside, insisted that Kamala not deviate from the administrations policy positions at all? She was hamstrung from the beginning.
You may be unaware that when Joe stepped aside the only person who could legally replace him on the ticket was Kamala Harris.
If true, this information makes her even less competent. Only a fool would agree to be hamstrung by the policies of the prior administration.
Not to mention, during Trump’s first two races, him and his cronies did everything they could to meddle with the results. Do we all think they just gave up on that the third time around?
him did everything …
But Kamala wanted to eat babies (Palestinian babies at that!) she wanted to grab every single Palestinian by the neck and personally strangle them. I couldn’t be bothered to vote for her because nothing would be different right now! Biden was senile and I insisted they changed the candidate. When they did, I just knew Kamala would start a war with Iran! I am just glad I stayed home and let things spiral out of control. Any day now things will get better thanks to me staying home!
— some idiots here who I am more and more convinced are bots or paid trolls.
What an apt description. Im still leaning towards (hoping, really) that its just more republican social outcasts.
When can you ever push back on the DNC for being unable to put forward a good candidate?
You can primary whoever you want. Go for it. Progressive policies are always popular with the youth, but those fuckers don’t vote.
Mandami kinda gives me hope, but I’m not going to hold my breath. If you can’t get the votes with progressive policies, don’t be surprised you end up with Pelosi, Clintons, etc. That’s politics. Or you can pretend your way is the only way and do whatever you want. Not like there haven’t been progressive candidates. They just don’t get votes.
Carter tried to treat the US like adults and run progressive policies, and we decided to boot him and go with Trump lite.
When someone is offering you fascism, you go with the non-fascist every time. Or not, I guess.
If you talk about primarying any DNC candidate they kick you out of the party
Big if true. Like, enormous if true.
David Hogg?
because 2/3 of voters did not vote against him, therefore they are either okay with it or were unable to vote
my assumption is that the size of the latter group, while significant, is not 15% of voters
By that token, more people didnt vote for Trump. That means he lost because 2/3 of people didnt vote for him.
not really how popular votes work
Exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing that your argument was silly.
I see what you’re trying to do, and you’re failing. it’s not the same logic.
It literally is. Your argument is that people who didnt vote for Trump wanted him to be president. All people who didnt vote for Kamala are somehow pro-Trump. If that wasn’t your intent, you need to work on how you phrase things.
All I did was say precisely what you said lol just the other way around. Thats because people who didnt vote… did not vote! Ascribing a desired candidate to people who didnt participate is … not how it works!
Everyone that doesnt go to subway hates subs so they absolutely must like burgers! See? Silly.
A lot of people felt disenfranchised and abstained due to a sense of moral superiority to be sure. That doesn’t mean they voted for Trump or felt like Trump was the superior candidate. People who dont pay attention to politics didnt vote for or against either candidate, people who didnt vote also didnt vote for or against either candidate.
People keep bringing up people who didn’t vote like that exonerates them. What they’re really saying is two thirds of the country were complicit, the third who voted Trump and the third who couldn’t be bothered to vote
If you didn’t vote then you may as well have voted for him regardless.
You can’t convince those people of this. Similarly, it’s damn near impossible to get people to understand that you can vote your conscience in primaries but you need to be strategic in the general.
Not half. Only 65% of the population who was eligible to vote, did so.
That means a majority of Americans rejected Trump.
And why didn’t they vote?
Many reasons. Stupidity being the main one. According to the US department of Education, 54% of American adults cannot read or write prose beyond a sixth grade level. I have also read that almost 20% of the adult American population are functionally illiterate.
Even when you take those people out of the equation you’re still left with a majority of people who are not paying attention to politics or current events. Some of those people will performatively vote during presidential elections, patting themselves on the back for being a good citizen while making choices they do not understand. All of the people I have described are not sophisticated consumers of media and are easily swayed by mass media.
And this doesn’t even get into the problem of voter suppression and people working multiple jobs having a difficult time finding time to vote.
Try explaining that to the single celled organisms here and they might explode.
Just like you don’t get termites without dry rot, you don’t get fascists without a rotten polity.
Fuck Ralph Nader. If it weren’t for him we wouldn’t have had Dubya and the Iraq war. Hell, we might not have even had 9/11 and the Afghan war because the administration would have heeded the intelligence that showed Al Qaida was planning the attack.
For a country with so many guns, they’re not very good shots.
France isn’t willing to bankrupt themselves again for the colonies.
There’s been multiple assassination attempts in his first year of this administration
Last I checked all of those people were right wing chuds. Make of that what you will.
The WHCD guy was a weapons grade shitlib.
He was complaining about Hasan Piker on the train to DC.
Sounds like the problem may inevitably take care of itself.
No? Two were Ukraine guys, pretty much centrist liberals. One was all over the place
I didn’t know “Ukraine guy” was a political position.
Support of US support of the Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukraine War. Both Routh and now Allen had documented public statements of that - https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-whcd-shooters-bluesky-posts-revealed-aggressively-anti-trump-jd-vance-pro-ukraine
They had better aim when JFK was president.
Well, if we count half-sentient lunatics walking around Florida as an assassination attempt that is. But even if we do, in a country that has more guns then people, he was shot at once, and even then it was in that part of the ear that completely heals leaving no traces of a scar, so really, it doesn’t count.
He’s had so many he’s smiling at other people and being pretty unsafe about his own safety.
To assume that humans en masse are weak is quite foolish, but I suspect their intent is more prodding for people to ‘do something’.
We’re aware of the issue most of us didn’t cause. Just as other countries are currently dealing with their own artificially placed authoritarians (à la epstein and bannon).
To attempt change in the public eye immediately puts you in danger and as such is unwise. Furthermore, many people are not made for such things.
Eventually there will come a time for most of us where a normal life cannot exist, but it’s a slow burn, not an explosion.
We need to put this into perspective and compare it to how Hitler turned an entire country into dumbly complacent followers & murderers & enablers. We look back at that and ask, “Why didn’t somebody stop him? Why was everybody following his orders?”
“Why didn’t Feudal Peasants rise up against theie Feudal Lords? Were they stupid?”
-asks the modern day corporate indentured serf from his company-provided cubicle residence.
My point is that it’s literally happening again right now. Why can’t it be stopped? Someone please tell me.
The problem I fear is always a spiritual one.
Materialism and spiritualism are polar opposities with the latter being the one that one incentivises someone to act in the face of death.
For the former, armies could be carpet bombing their house into the dirt and if they still feel more attached to what little wealth he has, he may very well fight for that wealth on the side of tyrants.
For the latter, they could lose everything down to their very bones, but if there’s so long as a single breath that remains, they would use it against the injustice set upon them.
It’s difficult to unify people to even achieve something in an hour, let alone divorce them of their belongings for a higher cause.
The American Civil war never ended, did it?
Wait, voting for him didn’t stop him? So weird.
Laws needs to change to fix this. To begin with - there has to be punishment for when Trump is breaking the law and Trump should not be able to do any punishment back.
When a president stops following the law, the army should automatically remove the entire cabinet and hold new elections.
It’s clearly illegitimate if it does not want to follow the law.
People need to change and stop expecting that problems with the ruling class will be solved by laws. Who do you think is making those laws?
At very least, if the president is immune from civil suits while in office for acts committed while in office, then he shouldn’t be able to sue others in civil courts.
Step 1: lying to congress should be punishable immediately.
Also refusing to answer a clear question directly.
If laws meant anything, Trump would be serving his first of many lifetime prison sentences right now. But laws only work as long as people believe they should, and yet another law wouldn’t help that.
In Warhammer, there’s an Ork flying machine that works because the Orks believe it should work.
In that respect, Ork war technology is more advanced than American law.
I’d say it is as powerful. It’s just Americans stopped believing in their own system, and now their cars are moving the same speed no matter what colour they paint it. They grew too isolated and now they can’t get the power of community to connect back to the source of collective.
When you’re right you’re right
You can’t expect sixth graders to push back against fascism.
