• Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 hour ago

    Um, rich people control Israel.

    As revealed in the Behind the Bastards two-parter on How The Liberal Media Helped Fascism Win ( Part one, Part Two on YouTube), rich Jews are aligned with the ownership class first and with their fellow working-class Jews second.

    The current aggressive expansionism featuring genocide in Palestine (and beyond) is not popular among Jewish peoples, even the general Israeli population. But it is popular among the elites that control Israel… And curiously, the billionaires that control the United States.

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    3 hours ago

    When you’ve become accustomed to using rhetoric that makes you indistinguishable from an antisemite, you have a couple of ways to go.

    1. Do some introspection and ask yourself “am I going down a bad path?”
    2. Do zero introspection and conclude “This is more evidence that the Jews really do control the world!”
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      41 minutes ago

      You understand that saying “Jews control Israel” isn’t antisemitic right… Bibi himself constantly repeats that Israel is a Jewish state, the Jewish homeland etc…

      It’s in no way implying the Jews control any other part of the world.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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      9 hours ago

      But they do, as a great deal of Zionists are Jews; all Jews are not Zionists but most Zionists are Jews.

      Search “zionist settlers” and “greater israel”, it’s not a secret.

      • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        There are more Christian Zionists in the United States alone than there are total Jews on the planet.

        Most Jewish people are Zionist to some degree (though the number has been plummeting since Israel’s last major escalation in its genocide), but most Zionists are not Jewish.

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        5 hours ago

        I think someone is secretly manipulating you, but it’s not the Jews or the “Zionists.”

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      Well, to be fair, Israel isn’t really all that controlled by Jews… Zionism is just a fascist assortment of interests more than it has anything to do with the Jewish people or Judaism. Though they certainly like to try and make people think that…

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        Israel explicitly controls access to citizenship with the publicly stated goal of keeping the control of the country based on ethnicity.

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          Yes, it’s an ethnostate. And though it may surprise some, they rarely have much to do with the ethnicity in question. Plenty is Israelis hate (non-Zionist) Jews (because they’re not “the right kind” of Jew; they’re “the weak Jew”)

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      11 hours ago

      There’s a meaningful difference between “controlled by people who are Jewish” and “controlled by Jews”

      Zionists really love to blur the line between these

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          In a strict semantic sense, sure.

          Think of the phrase “America is controlled by white people”

          Does that put an image in your head of “the people who control America happen to be white” or “white people, in aggregate run America for the collective benefit of white people”?

          People will use the phrase in both ways, but these are very different ideas.

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          Yeah I would probably say what OP meant was a distance between having a theory something is controlled by Jews vs controlled by The Jews.

          But honestly fell like even pointing out the first one of borderline anti Semitic, like when is that relevant except for anti Semitism?

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    14 hours ago

    The AI is obviously just picking up on the “Jews secretly control X” pattern and not actually understanding the question, but it’s also a pretty silly question in the first place.

    I guess it’s helpful for pointing out that “AI” isn’t very good at calling out a false premise.

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        So, if you re-phrase the question, it is answered accurately. I am not a fan of LLMs, but this whole threads premise is stupid. It only serves to show that LLMs can pick up on patterns, regardless of whether they’re applicable.

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    15 hours ago

    Claude managed to see the irony and compared the statement with “Chrisians secretly controlling Vatican”.

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    14 hours ago

    X secretly control Y is a anti-X conspiracy at all times. You suggest the existence of a shadow cabal.

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      9 hours ago

      Exactly, and we all know that the Bilderberg meeting is completely illuminated and out in the open

  • lokalhorst@feddit.org
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    14 hours ago

    What is the statement here? The Jews™ and the collective West™ influence LLMs with propaganda and therefore calling you an Antisemite because you hate Jewish people is wrong?