working class
Fixed that for you.
Socialism for me, not for thee. Politicians who vote against social services are more than happy to receive them themselves. You see the same with military members. They are provided so many services from the state they are more than happy to receive but will vote every single time to decrease social services for others.
Or he’s getting none because he’s dead
He’s not dead.
Comatose, non-responsive, vegetable? Probably.
But the hospotal isn’t going to keep a rotting corpse for a month.Disagree. They made a corpse deliver a baby against the family’s wishes. The people in charge are pure evil
That’s not physically possable.
I think you have a different idea what corpse is.Disagree. Disgusting fascist take but ok Steve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriana_Smith_pregnancy_case
How does this have upvotes? Calling someone fascist for thinking a living body isn’t a corpse? Man this place is such a shit hole sometimes.
I understand the fascist comment earlier, this time not sure how you define it?
Good, bad, fascist, whatever, doesn’t matter, to a disagreement on nomenclature. A biologically functioning body with a working ATP cycle, isn’t a corpse. Ethics and morality are irrelevant.
brain dead is considered dead.
no matter if cells still have atp.
it’s a corpse.
there’s no biological definition for human death. besides a vague “is it curable”
death used to be cardiac death, but we figured out how to save people who had cardiac death, so we move the goalpost to brain death.
It’s literally not a corpse, it’s a brain-dead person / body.
You started this debate with Steve by using sensationalizing language, and I’m here to provide definitions and lay this discussion to rest:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/brain-dead?q=Braindead
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/corpse?q=Corpse
We can all agree that what they’ve done is horrible, there’s no need to distort language to make a point.
A corpse can not carry a pregnancy, a brain-dead body apparently can if assisted.
I’ll see myself out.
That’s simply not correct. A corpse would have more rights to autonomy. You can’t force a corpse to donate life saving organs, but you can make a woman.
If brain dead is dead bacteria are dead.
A brain dead body isn’t a person, but that doesn’t make it a corpse. All the biological functions continue. The ATP cycle continues. The body takes in nutrients and uses them to maintain their normal biological functions. Corpses don’t do that.
Brain death is death. He’s dead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
If brain death is dead, single cell organisms are dead.
We’re not single called organisms
Of course not. But the definition of death you gave, doesn’t distinguish between forms of life.
Yeah the current definition pretty much says a lot of dead stuff together is making one living being
Shit, it’s Kentucky hospital too…
They’re not exactly the best at making that whole “alive or dead” call.
Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving donated organs for transplantation when the nurses wheeled the donor into the operating room.
She quickly realized something wasn’t right. Though the donor had been declared dead, he seemed to her very much alive.
“He was moving around — kind of thrashing. Like, moving, thrashing around on the bed,” Miller told NPR in an interview. “And then when we went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying visibly.”
The donor’s condition alarmed everyone in the operating room at Baptist Health hospital in Richmond, Ky., including the two doctors, who refused to participate in the organ retrieval, she says.
"The procuring surgeon, he was like, ‘I’m out of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it,’ " Miller says. “It was very chaotic. Everyone was just very upset.”
Miller says she overheard the case coordinator at the hospital for her employer, Kentucky Organ Donor Affiliates (KODA), call her supervisor for advice.
"So the coordinator calls the supervisor at the time. And she was saying that he was telling her that she needed to ‘find another doctor to do it’ – that, ‘We were going to do this case. She needs to find someone else,’ " Miller says. “And she’s like, ‘There is no one else.’ She’s crying — the coordinator — because she’s getting yelled at.”
I guess we should be surprised Mitch isn’t an organ donor tho…
They will if they’re getting leaned on politically, but you are right in that he’s not sitting in a bed, they’ll just shove him into the morge if they have one.
Nothing political about it…
He can be “alive” like Terry Schiavo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
And they can likely keep him like that for years, because it’s machines doing all the work.
No one can pressure the hospital to do anything, as long as the checks keep clearing, they’ll keep the machines running.
What can (and is) being done, is the Governor requesting proof that McConnell is capable of fulfilling his duties from McConnell’s office
They want to stall till August 4th, because if McConnell is declared incompetent before then, it triggers a special election which allows Maise to run as an independent after losing the Republican primary.
On 8/4/26 they can say McConnell is incompetent to hold office, and the normal election will happen which Maise can’t run in.
This entire show is because Trump doesn’t want Maise to run, because if he does a Dem will likely win and if not it’ll be Maise.
But Beshar (KY governor) asking for Mitch’s status is what prompted all the Republicans to spend 20 minutes talking at his unresponsive body over a phone. That’s why they reacted
Every hospital has a morgue. They deal with too many dead people daily, they aren’t going to be moving them out every time someone dies.
Besides, they won’t leave bodies sitting in beds they could use for living, paying, patients.
Yeah and the sitting president wouldn’t possibly fuck a child…
Those realy are the same thing. You’re right 🙄
Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to make your perception of reality make sense to you…
They aren’t going to let him rot. That isn’t connected to the possibility of him ever regaining consciousness whether a replacement is called for.
I don’t think anyone here thinks he’s literally just sitting out on a hospital bed flat lined.
I don’t think anyone here thinks he’s literally just sitting out on a hospital bed flat lined.
No, but there’s a decent chance he might be laying in a morgue fridge in the hospital basement.
They could lie about him being there
That’s certainly true
Lie? The government? Heaven forbid!
Yeah, isn’t there some law about social security and brain death…
Stop being like a maga that spins lies.
Keep pushing back. Don’t let these disingenuous, self-righteous Lemmy users skate by without addressing the actual argument.
For the record, I don’t support the Republican Party, MAGA, or Mitch McConnell.
I just find this kind of rhetoric frustrating because it gets reflexively upvoted. It gives people the warm feeling that they’re standing up to oppression without requiring them to engage with whether the claim is actually true. It’s more about reinforcing the group’s narrative than critically examining the argument.
In my experience in my own country as well as living in other countries (none of which the US, but I believe it equally applies), leftwing policies (such as universal schooling and worker rights) built the middle class and the Neoliberals (which are generally the two major parties in a country) have been destroying it since Reagan’s days.
For me this was especially obvious in the UK were almost every single pro-people thing (National Health Service, Social Security, Public Housing) dated back to the years of Labour Party government immediatelly after WWII and every single one of then had been under attack in some way since Thatcher’s day, including during governments of New Labour (the Labour party after the Neoliberal faction took it over, most obviously with Tony Blair whom Thatcher called “my greatest achievement”).
I think the UK is especially applicable here because it’s the country in Europe that, at least for the last 2 or 3 decades most apes the US (in the bad things, rather than good things).
All this to say that I don’t expect ANY American politician who has managed to hold to power for so long as Mitch Mcconnell to be anything else than a middle class destroying Neoliberal, no matter what political party they come from.
Thatcher and Reagan were an extraordinary pair for putting the boot on the neck of the working person. Reminds me of a song:
Meanwhile 99% of America would be fired, lose their benefits and be unplugged because they are dead anyway
Except that one woman who was forced to carry her child to term before they pulled the plug and then charged the family.
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Hypocrisy is a core component of the capitalist machine.
Unlike the communistic system where the political leaders use the system to enrich themselves?
Obviously both are purely economic ideas that can’t exist in their ideologicsl state in reality. It’s fair to say that capitalism scales better than communism. Everyone is communistic within a family, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” fits perfectly within the realm of family. Private ownership according to your contribution works very well in the realm of society.
Unlike the communistic system where the political leaders use the system to enrich themselves
Historically untrue of many socialist leaders. Ho Chi Minh mended his own clothes. Vladimir Lenin was practically ascetic.
Obviously both are purely economic ideas that can’t exist in their ideologicsl [sic] state in reality.
Capitalism is an economic system that produces commodities: goods that are made to be useful but can not be used until they are bought/sold. Under capitalism, the capitalist owns the means with which to produce commodities and so takes the finished products and ultimately the resulting profits as their private property. The capitalist also makes all the decisions on how workers spend their labor time. On the other hand, the workers, the people that labored to create the commodity, are given a fraction of the value they produce in the form of wages. Capitalism exists here and now, any definition of capitalism to the contrary is idealist.
It’s fair to say that capitalism scales better than communism.
We have examples of socialist states scaling just fine. Perhaps we could have seen the true potential of socialism (and eventually communism) as an economic model; but countries that reject capitalism faced economic sanctions, diplomatic isolation, assassination attempts, and retaliatory wars (e.g., Cuba, Vietnam, USSR, Chile [Salvador Allende], etc.)
Private ownership according to your contribution works very well in the realm of society.
You can keep your house and toothbrush under socialism: this is your personal property. The goal of socialism is to turn the private ownership of the means to produce all the things we want/need into public property that the workers own. This is necessary for us to stop producing goods for private profit and start producing them for direct consumption.
Unlike the communistic system where the political leaders use the system to enrich themselves?
An actually communist system would not have leaders that could enrich themselves, because communism entails the absence of private property. (including money, owning means of production that aren’t directly from solely your own efforts, etc)
I wouldn’t call myself a communist, but even I know this.
Actual communism cannot exist at the level of a nation state. You could maybe get to about the size of a small village before it starts breaking down fundamentally.
They said “communistic” when they likely meant “socialist”. People who haven’t read leftist theory run socialism and communism together. We should educate them on the difference between socialism (i.e., a transitionary stage) and communism (i.e., a classless/moneyless/stateless society).
You miss the point on purpose, or you didn’t read the rest of my message.
Political machine
Capitalist machine
Capitalism is an economic system, not a political system. Politics is the means by which capitalist policies and systems are created and maintained.
The US political system could just as easily create and enforce (more) socialist systems and policies, but it doesn’t because it’s been captured by corporate and foreign interests.
How is an economic system different from a political system? You’re making a pointless argument.
“Why is capitalism not communism? Because it’s not communism”
Why would foreign interests go against socialism? They are the same people as you, why would they be treated differently?
Exactly
Considering no one knows what hospital he’s in. There is absolutely no way that all the RNs, CNAs, APPs, and MD involved that NOTHING would have leaked. HIPAA doesn’t do anything about an unknown anonymous tip.
With all that said. He is absolutely being kept at the house of someone involved in the cover up. Either alive or dead. Most likely dead. Watch for news on August 3rd that he suddenly died.
George Washington University Hospital.
I’ll see you August third sir.
I’ve saved this post.
Help me understand. Why August 3rd?
Prevents a special election where Thomas Massie could win, making a huge stink for Trump, who had him primaried.
Ah, thanks.
Image with him alive was just released
Clearly their problem isn’t with good wages or quality healthcare, it’s the “universal” part they have a problem with. And I don’t think it’s necessarily because they want some people to go without (although that could be the case for at least some of them), it’s just that they realize that for everyone to have enough, they have to have less, and that’s unacceptable to them.
They believe everything is zero-sum, so they have to be getting less of others are getting more.
The reality is that they don’t actually have to have less of these things for everyone to have more. It just has to be done more efficiently, something the current system is terrible at by design so there can be 5 unnecessary middlemen taking their cut.
I think for a lot of those kinds of people it’s pathological. For example, I remember reading in Careless People (a memoir by a former Facebook/Meta employee) about some of the things the author witnessed about Mark Zuckerberg made it seem like he only wanted to do things because no one else could, not because he personally derived any enjoyment out of it. I’ve seen this personally with philanthropists too. They don’t actually like the disadvantaged kids they’re helping (I’m talking literal racists), but they like the idea that they’re the only ones that these kids can turn to. Basically I’m saying I don’t think they believe life is zero-sum, but they have a pathological need to create zero-sum circumstances where they are the “winners” and the rest of us losers.
They believe everything is zero-sum
Well, they’re right about that. The Earth, and all the resources on it, are finite. The more any one person owns, the less everyone else can own. Now, I would agree that the Earth’s resources are abundant, and that there’s more than enough for everyone on Earth (at our current population level, at least) to not only survive but thrive. But, because the Earth’s resources are finite, it’s not possible for any one person to own an infinite amount of resources, let alone for that person to own infinite resources and there still be resources leftover for everyone else.
They want to have healthcare tied to your job. It gives the owning class control. In other nations we can change jobs for whatever reason and still get healthcare. If they treat us like shit we can quit and not have to worry about medical bills. People label it as corporate feudalism for a reason.
Even though if you didn’t tell them about the part they’re missing, they wouldn’t realize because it’s so little of the whole. But they have to have every damn cent they can grab.
That’s some flexibility with your boot kissing.
it’s called “rules for thee, not for me” for a reason
Was anybody else thinking of Mitch McConnell’s health and pto, no I didn’t think so. /s
The American people should sue if we’re paying for his benefits. They can keep a corpse alive but deny us for every medical procedure
And against privacy.
Also pretty sure he did more than just voting.Idea’s true but can’t help but push back on this “middle class” as an existing group. There is no such thing just the bourgeois and the proletariat.
I’m sick of this tyranny
I used to hate hit so much until the loser liar orange piece of shit stole the show. I didn’t stop hating this one. I just had new hate that I never expected.
“living wage”
Uhhhhh about that one…
