Uh…I’m sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don’t work anymore!
Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris? Agent Orange is now bombing the ruins of Genocide Joe. Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.
Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they’re clinging to as their empire crumbles.
Biden’s constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.
Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.
So the mask comes off. Rather than encouraging the exchange of ideas with people who make the effort of using a language other than their own, you resort to insults…. pathetic.
I already gave my opinion in this comment section. The people parroting “Kamala lost because of Pro-Palestinians” are ostriches that cannot look at themselves in the mirror due to their egocentrism. So when they fail all they can do to heal their hurt feelings is to scapegoat the weakest they have in hand rather than unit and fight back against extremism of all sorts.
Like at what point is it a fact and a reality that Pro-Palestinians had so much influence over the elections that it made trump win? like come on even if they all voted for her nothing would have changed.
Focus on the real issue, responsibility of the US and the international community, the situation is much older and complex than this idiotic debate about trump/biden/kamala.
There is currently a Genocide yet people keep changing subject with bs story.
Donald Trump says a lot of things. What he did was get them two months of relative peace. That would not have happened under Kamala, there would be no intermission to “resume” bombing from, there would just still be bombing. If Kamala wanted those voters then she should have broke from Biden’s support of Israel, which she did not do and is not how you get a ceasefire done with Israel. No, what she said is that we would have the “most lethal military” in the face of Palestinians her campaign blocked from speaking at the DNC. Biden said he had red lines, but never did anything when Israel crossed them.
That is how democracy works, you have to earn votes. “Vote for me or else” is not a fucking popular platform for what should be very obvious reasons.
Is it really more important to you to attack these voters and hold back the discourse, over 4 months after the election, as your government is breaking every rule in the book and your party is playing right along with it? The election result is not going to change no matter how many people you throw under the bus for it. These are the cards you were dealt, it’s time to move on and play spades.
It must feel empowering to only hold positions that are impossible to prove or disprove. Super brave.
I wouldn’t know, maybe you can tell me more about it?
Meanwhile, anyone living in the real world that is actually paying attention knows that what is happening now (in the US and in Gaza) is not normal and is not what any Democratic President would be doing.
This is not an honest response to any of the arguments I made.
You are not a serious person. I will not be engaging further; I have organizing to do that does not involve scapegoating people who will be hurt by this administration or living in alternate realities where everyone unquestioningly does what I want them to do because I said so.
Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.
Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.
No, they didn’t apply any genuine pressure, just empty rhetoric while continuing to provide billions worth of weapons unconditionally while Netanyahu ignored every “red line” with zero consequences. Biden is a self-proclamed Zionist, he had no issue with the genocide. All the empty rhetoric was just theater
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
Did Biden deport anyone protesting this? If the answer is no then historically speaking protests while being allowed have always been a way to apply pressure for change. I won’t argue that they definitely could have done alot more but I won’t accept that both parties are same when at least one of them would have still allowed a way to potentially have changed their stance when the other just deports them because they are fascists.
Reduce the influence of parties by passing state level electoral reform. Replace of First-past-the-post voting, use a voting system that let’s voters transfer their vote if their first pick didn’t win. Give 3rd parties the opportunity to participate without a spoiler effect.
You are correct, I should have said equating them towards the end of my point. You are also correct that the opposing side always equates both political sides as essentially the same while failing to recognise the stark differences between them. Although both sides are not perfect, it’s not a nuanced difference like it was before MAGA crazy took over.
Hold up, let me get this straight: the people who didn’t vote for Harris caused the genocide that was already going on in Gaza, because Trump was elected. But also when Biden was president there was nothing he could have possibly done to stop the genocide that was happening in Gaza?
I voted for Biden and Harris and am one of the people being fucked over by Trump, and that’s still not enough. I have to tongue the asshole of every elected blue freak that is champing at the bit to throw people like me under the bus as soon as it’s expedient.
I voted blue in a swing state, blue loses anyway sadly. Then theres people going “I hope they make a big giant hotel and golf course now.” Or “should I call ICE on my neighbor?” it’s exhausting.
Well then, so long as you never spend any money at Trump Casino/Resort Gaza when it opens, you can sleep soundly knowing there’s no blood on your hands.
Uh…I’m sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don’t work anymore!
Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris? Agent Orange is now bombing the ruins of Genocide Joe. Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.
Correction: she would let Israel do as it pleases without officially cheering them on.
Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they’re clinging to as their empire crumbles.
Biden’s constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.
Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.
I don’t think anyone is saying it’s fascist. Just that it’s fucking stupid.
Big difference!!! We don’t need to hear what they gonna do, it’s easier to ignore when they told us nothing!
Yes, the vice president controls the military. For sure, the military of another country. The tie vote for the senate, yeah ok.
Where was the Palestinian on stage at the DNC?
I think you’ve got your flashcards mixed up, comrade. You meant “Genocide Joe.”
Words are hard, especially English with all the “yours” and “theres” but keep trying!
So the mask comes off. Rather than encouraging the exchange of ideas with people who make the effort of using a language other than their own, you resort to insults…. pathetic.
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I already gave my opinion in this comment section. The people parroting “Kamala lost because of Pro-Palestinians” are ostriches that cannot look at themselves in the mirror due to their egocentrism. So when they fail all they can do to heal their hurt feelings is to scapegoat the weakest they have in hand rather than unit and fight back against extremism of all sorts.
Like at what point is it a fact and a reality that Pro-Palestinians had so much influence over the elections that it made trump win? like come on even if they all voted for her nothing would have changed.
Focus on the real issue, responsibility of the US and the international community, the situation is much older and complex than this idiotic debate about trump/biden/kamala.
There is currently a Genocide yet people keep changing subject with bs story.
Huh. Didn’t realize Harris got elected. Someone should tell orangeboi.
Seriously dude: your first sentence is fully nonsense.
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Is building a golf course your red line, not genocide?
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Donald Trump says a lot of things. What he did was get them two months of relative peace. That would not have happened under Kamala, there would be no intermission to “resume” bombing from, there would just still be bombing. If Kamala wanted those voters then she should have broke from Biden’s support of Israel, which she did not do and is not how you get a ceasefire done with Israel. No, what she said is that we would have the “most lethal military” in the face of Palestinians her campaign blocked from speaking at the DNC. Biden said he had red lines, but never did anything when Israel crossed them.
That is how democracy works, you have to earn votes. “Vote for me or else” is not a fucking popular platform for what should be very obvious reasons.
Is it really more important to you to attack these voters and hold back the discourse, over 4 months after the election, as your government is breaking every rule in the book and your party is playing right along with it? The election result is not going to change no matter how many people you throw under the bus for it. These are the cards you were dealt, it’s time to move on and play spades.
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I wouldn’t know, maybe you can tell me more about it?
This is not an honest response to any of the arguments I made.
You are not a serious person. I will not be engaging further; I have organizing to do that does not involve scapegoating people who will be hurt by this administration or living in alternate realities where everyone unquestioningly does what I want them to do because I said so.
When was that “under Kamala”? Is it in this room with us right now?
I might have bad news for you
Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.
Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.
No, they didn’t apply any genuine pressure, just empty rhetoric while continuing to provide billions worth of weapons unconditionally while Netanyahu ignored every “red line” with zero consequences. Biden is a self-proclamed Zionist, he had no issue with the genocide. All the empty rhetoric was just theater
Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars
Did Biden deport anyone protesting this? If the answer is no then historically speaking protests while being allowed have always been a way to apply pressure for change. I won’t argue that they definitely could have done alot more but I won’t accept that both parties are same when at least one of them would have still allowed a way to potentially have changed their stance when the other just deports them because they are fascists.
No deportations of protesters under Biden, only the regular kind, but he was also implementing Project Esther
idiot
Reduce the influence of parties by passing state level electoral reform. Replace of First-past-the-post voting, use a voting system that let’s voters transfer their vote if their first pick didn’t win. Give 3rd parties the opportunity to participate without a spoiler effect.
You do support democracy right?
May I ask what you wrote has to do with anything about the article or what I wrote?
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You are correct, I should have said equating them towards the end of my point. You are also correct that the opposing side always equates both political sides as essentially the same while failing to recognise the stark differences between them. Although both sides are not perfect, it’s not a nuanced difference like it was before MAGA crazy took over.
“Gaza under Democrats”? Gee, I didn’t know Biden was the President of Israel!
That’s right, folks… They literally think Democrats were in charge of the IDF. Yes, they really are that clueless.
Hold up, let me get this straight: the people who didn’t vote for Harris caused the genocide that was already going on in Gaza, because Trump was elected. But also when Biden was president there was nothing he could have possibly done to stop the genocide that was happening in Gaza?
So are you planning on staying at the Trump Casino/Resort Gaza after the “construction” is finished? I bet it’ll have a nice ocean view!
Oops, guess I wasn’t supposed to ask that one.
I voted for Biden and Harris and am one of the people being fucked over by Trump, and that’s still not enough. I have to tongue the asshole of every elected blue freak that is champing at the bit to throw people like me under the bus as soon as it’s expedient.
I voted blue in a swing state, blue loses anyway sadly. Then theres people going “I hope they make a big giant hotel and golf course now.” Or “should I call ICE on my neighbor?” it’s exhausting.
Well then, so long as you never spend any money at Trump Casino/Resort Gaza when it opens, you can sleep soundly knowing there’s no blood on your hands.
So you literally just want no criticism of team blue or something?
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Holy shit do you have a camera that takes photos of alternate timelines?
Were you not here for the last year of Biden’s presidency or something?
Selling lgbt people, ethnic minorities, immigrants, poor people dependent on social programs only to gain… nothing. What a deal…
First they came for the Palestinians. And you did not speak out because you are not a Palestinian.
We absolutely spoke up you fucking dolt
WTF why didn’t the candidates care? Maybe we need to vote Blue No Matter Who even harder.
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so edgy
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edit: totally not edgy
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My sincere apologies mr causality for implying you were edgy, I know now that my words about you being edgy could be upsetting, I take them back.
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