Locking this post because there is a lot weird shit and reports coming from it.
This you post
Reminds me of shit saying I heard when I was 14. “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed”. Even then that was a fucked up thing to say. But I heard it a lot as a teenager. Mostly from other teen boys who didn’t know shit about sex.
There’s also “if there’s grass on the field, play ball”
When cherry’s are red the ripe for plucking, when girls are 16…
You get the rest.
Jimmy Savile and Trump are cut from the same cloth. The fact other people were doing it too doesn’t make their behaviour less abhorrent, it just means that abhorrent behaviour was more common.
I’m with you until this:
The fact other people were doing it too doesn’t make their behaviour less abhorrent, it just means that abhorrent behaviour was more common.
Did something I posted indicate I think otherwise or was this just an additional thought?
For the record, I don’t care who the paedophile is, it’s disgusting and perverse regardless. I do question whether the behavior was more common or if it’s just gotten pushed further out of public view because of social norms changing.
was this just an additional though
This. Sorry if I made you think I thought you thought otherwise.
All good, that’s why I checked.
Think I heard that one too, but the other was more popular. Of course I heard fat mommy jokes and “You’re so stupid” jokes. Even the dumb blonde jokes. I mean in 90’s you didn’t have worry about getting canceled for your fuck up humor.
We really didn’t. Though those expressions, while still wrong, come across a lot different from a 13 year old than they do from a 50 year old man. 🤮
Yeah I remember sitting around with other 10-12 year olds as we told jokes we read in Playboy magazine. Same magazines we found either in the woods, or your step dads drawers. I only remember a couple of the jokes. But I know a couple of them looking back would only be funny to a 10 year old boy.
Whilst I begin to clutch at my pearls,
drawers
refers to cabinets. Right???
Yes, it a southern thing. But you can say that too.
Yeah this is the generation that brought us 4Chan and the Xbox gaming lobby.
I God damn wish there had been consequences for the hate some of my bosses had flung around back then. Just like constantly putting down anyone deemed lesser.
“If not, flip her over and play in the mud.”
I always heard the reply, “a well used field grows no grass”. I don’t like to think about that though, it’s my friend’s dad who I heard it from most memorably.
That sounds like slut shaming. Never heard it before.
Also have a listen to Lucille Bogan’s classic song “Shave It Dry.” The implication is by friction, not with a razor.
And if there isn’t…
Oh I’m sure they had an excused lined up for that too. I just don’t want hear what it is.
I remember hearing “if there’s grass play ball” from fellow kids meanwhile we didn’t even have any grass, or any idea what playing ball really entailed. At least those of us who were lucky.
Yeah maybe that was a baseball thing, because I didn’t hear that one. Probably saw it in a tweet or something. But as kid no, just the one I posted. Plus knew a kid that his goodbye was. “Got cows to feed, and women to breed” He said this shit everytime he had to go.
Yeah I could have lived without hearing that from a grown-ass man this month.
“si hay pelito, no hay delito” - if there’s hair, there’s no crime.
“Si pesa más que un pollo, me lo follo” - if it weights more than a chicken, I’m fucking it.
Oh, you only heard the short version.
My stepdad and uncle would say that shit all the fucking time.
What’s the long version?
Old enough to bleed, old enough for me; 8 to 80, blind, crippled, or crazy.
Holy shit! Tell me they were joking?
Yeah, but it is still a pretty shitty “joke”
I love that people would think, “Well … It rhymes so it must be true.”
“If It Doesn’t Fit, You Must Acquit”
Didn’t she accuse someone of SA when she was underage? Yes, when she was 17, so her comment about girls even younger is insane.
But that gets to the heart of Azealia Banks. She’s insane. She’s part of the lgbtq+ community and her sibling is trans, but she supports JK Rawlings and belittles trans women and has likened the lgbtq community to the KKK.
She believes that African Americans should be paid reparations for the crime of slavery, which zero republicans would ever grant.
She flip flopped her endorsement of Trump in 2016. Despite saying women’s issues were too important to vote for him, she celebrated his win. She then did the same basic thing in 2025, but for who knows what reasons.
She’s pro Russia as hell as well as a Zionist.
I’m not sure how we get it to happen, but she needs to put up her brain for scientific studies. The neurons are firing in ways rarely seen in humans.
https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk/comments/1macphs/comment/n5dqgn6/
Her ability to find the most wrong take possible on just about everything is genuinely unearthly. You could generally set a pretty reliable moral compass for yourself by just adopting the exact opposite of her beliefs.
it’s pretty easy. just change the question to “what will enrage the most people and thus get me the most engagement in order to remain relevant?”
then all her takes make sense.
Even if you bent over backwards to agree with this tweet, just look at the facts of the Epstein case. These girls were sex trafficked. Epstein and Maxwell sought out vulnerable girls and took advantage of them. They were not girls in a traditional mindset trying to find a husband and have kids.
Exactly. Trafficked and trapped. For whatever reason the originator of the tweet chose to do what she did it’s not the same as being carted off to an island full of pedos with no safe place to escape to.
Which the poster definitely knows.
When you try to suggest that something is normal based upon your own experience, but everyone just looks at you with concern and pity in their eyes.
Like, yes girl, I was absolutely raped at 14 too, and we both need therapy!
Exactly. It’s a trauma response. Sweeping it under the rug. My parents beat me when I was a child and I turned out fine.
WTF? No, Ms. Banks, I was a teen in the 80s and no, my friends were not doing 40 year olds, eeeew. That was still called Statutory Rape. Girl, you are 34, do you find 14 year old boys attractive? I thought not. Those are children.
Don’t be too sure. She started out “in Trump’s defense”, FFS.
She’s right about one thing. This shit was prolific back in the sixties, seventies and eighties. Operation Yewtree blew the lid on just how rife paedophilia was amongst celebrities and how the (British) establishment had been covering it up for decades.
The Epstein files should have been a similar watershed moment for the US, but unfortunately some very powerful people are on that list.
Exactly. I didn’t even hear the word “paedophile” until 2000 when Sarah Payne was murdered.
In school in the 90s there were always 13 and 14 year old girls with older boyfriends, like we’re talking 19 or 20 with cars and they could buy them cigarettes and booze.
We never really thought much of it.
They had very much made this shit normal, and I’m glad we now don’t.
Which schools did you go to? I never heard of this. Maybe im a little younger and that’s it. Maybe it’s an England/USA thing. I was 16 in 2000.
Also the shift of the acceptable age range of a romeo/Juliette situation is a little different from a bunch of 40+ yo rich guys shipping some tweens to a remote island for any reason.
I remember in school in the 2000s 13 and 14 year old with 19 or 20 year old boyfriends. I bet many still do today but I don’t hang out with 13 or 14 year olds at my age to know of the few that do.
In Canada the age of consent was 14 for a long time. There reason was they didn’t want to make kids out as pedophiles like America does. So now we have a more complicated consent system that protects the kids from being taken advantage of by people way older but allows kids to do what they have been doing for centuries.
Until a few years ago, the age of consent in my country was 14. There weren’t just 13 and 14 year olds with 19 or 20 year old boyfriends, even 14 and 25-27 was a pretty common combo. Guy I went to middle school with was such an immature dumbass, he HAD to work 14 year olds to get laid at 19. Because a 15 year old would see through him already. Think he’s changed now, but of course he had to father a child with a 15 year old first.
But this isn’t the 80s or 90s. No, I grew up in the '00s and '10s. This is my experience with my peers in late 00s and even early 10s.
I don’t know any teenagers anymore, but there’s a podcast about sex and standup comedy (they wanna talk about standup comedy since they’re both comedians, but since they named it “pussy eaters”, they only get emails about sex) and holy hell, one girl out of every 4 seems hell-bent on talking about how they lost their virginity as a teenager to an older guy. Another girl out of every four is talking about how she either got raped or almost got raped (as an adult usually, not that it makes things much better). They just stopped reading emails from their listeners.
Pedophiles are attracted to children before they hit puberty. If you try to fuck fourteen year olds you are a weird fucking creep (and probably a republican). But you are not a pedophile. You’re watering down the word.
Edit: Why the hate?!
“Well, ACKCHYUALLY they’re ephebophiles.”
They’re children. Shut the fuck up.
Haha, great find! I’ll use this next time, save me some heat.
I hope you choke to death on a child’s toy, you fucking creep.
No idea who this is, but they have a lot to unpack in therapy. 15 year olds don’t seduce adults…
I hate to tell you, but you and your grandmother’s trauma are valid, and not at all okay. The fact that they are trying to rationalize it tells me they know on some level that what happened wasn’t okay. Its a defense mechanism.
The 15 year old seducing adults was probably abused themselves
Yeah, thats kind of the point of my comment.
Well they shouldn’t successfully be seducing adults, but some will try.
Back in college at my place of work you’d have the high school freshman customers coming in and hitting on the college guys, pretty hard. Of course it would have been shameful to actually roll with it because what are you, some loser that can’t get a real college girl?
Also I recall my classmates in junior high and high school trying to flirt with some of the teachers. And of course you have the “get good grades from the professor” trope for college, which technically are adults but the power dynamic and creepiness is the same.
15 year olds aren’t exactly thinking well enough but they certainly have the hormones going.
I’m starting to get a vibe of: “I didn’t understand consent when I was that age and had sex and no one did anything, why should we now?”
Azealia Amanda Banks was born on May 31, 1991, in New York City’s Manhattan borough; she was the youngest of three.[5][6] Her single mother raised her and her two siblings in Harlem, after their father died of pancreatic cancer when she was two years old.[7] Following her father’s death, Banks says that her mother “became really abusive—physically and verbally. Like she would hit me and my sisters with baseball bats, bang our heads up against walls, and she would always tell me I was ugly. I remember once she threw out all the food in the fridge, just so we wouldn’t have anything to eat.” Due to escalating violence, Banks moved out of her mother’s home at age 14 to live with her older sister.[8]
At a young age, Banks became interested in musical theater, dancing, acting, and singing. At 16, she starred in a production of the comedy-noir musical City of Angels, where she was found by an agent who sent her to auditions for TBS, Nickelodeon, and Law & Order, all without success.[9] At this point Banks decided to end her pursuit of an acting career, citing the stiff competition and overall sense of nonfulfillment.[10] Because of this lack of fulfillment, she began writing rap and R&B songs as a creative outlet. She never finished high school, instead choosing to embark on a career as a recording artist.[5]
Ok, so she got her start fucking her way into roles and doesn’t want to admit that it was wrong. This is where a lot of those Epstein Island kids end up. That’s why you don’t hear as many testimonials as you think you should. They got gaslighted into thinking it was normal.
If she was having sex with people to get roles at 15 or 16, that makes her a victim with a vulnerable background exploited by people with power and opportunities.
You’re acting like a teenager with no real world experience made a plan to climb the career ladder using sex is more likely than a child without stable future job prospects was groomed by pedophile entertainment industry producers, exploited, and happened to be one of the lucky ones that had a career at the end of it.
She absolutely was a victim when she was a child, but now she’s an adult advocating for continuing the cycle of abuse.
“she started fucking her way into roles” doesn’t sound like you’re talking about a child. This framing comes across as she was intentional an conniving instead of a victim.
You’re free to interpret it that way. I’m stating it that way because that’s what I would tell her to her face after sticking up for Donald Trump. If she wants to believe she had agency at that age, I’ll call her out as if she did.
Literal fatherless behavior. It’s sad.
If there isn’t actual evidence that someone used sexual favors to get where they are, that’s honestly a pretty sexist assumption to make about a person, since it’s an assumption only ever made of those who were AFABEdit: I’m too tired. She admitted it in the OOP
Don’t feel bad, I’m bad about skimming without really realizing I’m doing it and that was like the one sentence I auto piloted over first time reading it. I was like “yeah that’s a weird thing to say but, that’s a stretch to say this means that.” Then I reread and was like “oh. Oh my.”
By even debating this idea of ‘at what age is having sex with children OK’, you fall into the trap. We already have laws defining age of consent for a reason.
The trap is to distract you from trump’s sex crimes. They need to normalize statutory rape as acceptable, because more and more stuff is going to be coming out about his doing that. His base is horrified by pedophilia, but not by misogyny.
This is how they prep the base to be just fine with crimes trump did (in this case rape) when more info comes out. Keep their thinking in black-and-white: ‘pedophilia is evil, but trump didn’t do that, so he’s not evil! He’s still our Daddy.’ So they’ll ignore his rapes of under-age girls just like they already ignore his rapes of adult women. So by saying,
“Sure, why wouldn’t anyone be attracted to a girl whose body is developed even if she’s ‘technically’ under age – it’s not like it’s pedophilia or anything, which would be wrong!”. As long as they’re 13+ it’s fine!"
they are saying statutory rape is OK as long as the girl is at least 13. No, that’s just how the new Christian Nationalist theocracy wants it to be. The crap about “it was acceptable back in his day, only taboo since the '90’s” is of course bullshit. I’m surprised they didn’t claim it was only made taboo by the ‘woke left’.
We already have laws defining age of consent for a reason.
And it probably me moved upward anyway.
Growing up in a state where the legal age was 18, we heard “16’ll get you 20” back in the 70s and 80s.
So no idea where this nonsense about the 90s started.
Prolly she grew up in the 90’s, fucking older men, and only later has had people go “oh that doesn’t sound healthy” and presumes that there just was no judgement at all from anyone when she was actually doing it, just because she didn’t witness any personally.
Presumably.
In California, the age of consent was 18 by 1920. In the 1960s and 1970s when I became sexually active, almost nobody I knew was 18 or over at the time of their first sexual experience. It was a widely-ignored law, selectively enforced. When I was under 18, most of my partners were of similar age (and on the Pill).
In the 1880s, the age of consent in California was 10. That was typical for most states in that era. The increase to 18 was driven by the same odd alliance of progressive eugenicists and Christian reactionaries who brought us Prohibition.
The widespread belief in the US that two 17-year-olds having a screw should be subject to prosecution seems insanely punitive and contrary to human nature.
It’s 16 in the UK, which in my view makes better sense. All of the EU countries set the age of consent somewhere in the 14-16 range.
When I was under 18, most of my partners were of similar age (and on the Pill).
Lots of places have romeo and juliet clauses for this. I.e when it’s two 16 year olds, it’s fine. If it’s 16 and 25, it’s not.
It’s 16 in the UK, which in my view makes better sense. All of the EU countries set the age of consent somewhere in the 14-16 range.
16 is bordering fine, but anything below that is too low IMO. Again, the so called romeo and juliet laws are important here. It means that even if the age of consent is 18, teenagers can still do it among themselves and if you’re 15 and your 17 year old partner suddenly turns 18, that usually isn’t a big deal either. Let’s protect teenagers from grown ass adults, but let them sleep with each other because that’s going to happen anyway, teenagers are crazy filled with hormones - so they should be able to get contraceptives and stuff without any worry of legal repercussions if anyone finds out.
The startling part for me, having grown up in an 18 state, is that the majority of US states are 16.
When I heard that for the first time I was like “Oh, that can’t be right…”
Yup. 30 states = 16, 8 states = 17, 12 states = 18.
A lot of time people comment on their own life as a youth, not really understanding the fucked up parts were in fact, fucked up.
I didn’t know that the insane shit my parents put me through wasn’t normal life for everybody else. Took me well into my 20’s to figure it out and even though I’m 50, I am still re-discovering memories that remind me just how fucked-up my life was back then. Re-connecting with my sister after 2 decades of estrangement due to family dysfunction and addiction, new realizations are still unfolding for me.
I think you’ve hit the nail in the head, she’s self-reporting what her life was like as a teenager but it hasn’t yet clicked just how fucked up it all was
When you tell a story from your childhood you think will get a huge laugh, only to be met with a room full of horrified and concerned faces.
Been there, it gets way better. And kudos for reconneing with sane family!
Cheers
Simply because it was the norm it doesn’t mean it’s right. Pederasty was definitely a thing, but a Jewish historian who lived in the Roman era said the children clearly do not like it. And grim as it will sound, there are plenty of children in South East Asia abused by Western sexpats. You can definitely see how distraught the children are while the pedophile walks proudly with his chest high.
a Jewish historian who lived in the Roman era said the children clearly do not like it.
Do you happen to have the actual quote or a link to the whole thing? Id quite like to read this
I could not find it but i read it in Reddit AskHistorians many years ago. I am afraid to search further as I could get flagged 😂 Fwiw, if I remember correctly, I think the name of the Jewish historian is Josephus. But the only reference from the Internet I could find about him and his comment on pederasty/pedophilia is from here https://voice.dts.edu/review/philo-josephus-and-the-testaments-on-sexuality-attitudes-towards-sexuality-in-the-writings-of-philo-and-josephus-and-in-the-testaments-of-the-twelve-patriarchs/
Thanks!
My great-grandmother, who was born in 1910, may have gotten married at 13 (iirc her husband was 17-18 at the time) and had my grandmother when she was 14… but that’s doesn’t make it “right” that she was a teen mother. She married young to get out of an abusive home life and that was her only way out at the time.
