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It’s inevitable. No one should trust the U.S. right now, and countries should be attempting to strengthen relations with each other to deal with the fallout that is bound to occur.
Okay, here’s what’s actually happening since nobody seems to get the picture.
The Arctic has been melting in recent years, opening up areas that were never accessible before for resource extraction (oil, minerals). This is also why nobody is doing shit about global warming, because the opportunity for profit is too huge.
Canada has claimed ownership over the Arctic and its resources. Greenland/Denmark has claimed ownership as well. America has claimed these areas are in international waters and not ownable by anybody, so it’s a free for all. But they know that’s a weak position.
If USA takes Greenland, they take the Arctic. That’s it, that’s all.
Bonus: it’s a distraction from Trump’s name being all over the Epstein files. Although I’m not sure why he cares so much; his supporters certainly don’t. Like he said, he could rape a child in the middle of 5th avenue and he wouldn’t lose any votes.
That is not what trump said. He said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave.
And of course Russia has claimed half of it, because they have about half of the arctic coastline.
the opportunity for profit is too huge
Until their coastal refineries start flooding when Antarctica starts melting. Although even Greenland is already worth 7 meters of sea level rise.
But of course all of that is for future generations to worry about. As long as they can squeeze out a bit more profit before they die, it’s all good.
This is the most literal “après moi le deluge” ever.
To be honest folks. It isn’t important that I don’t feel better about things. The more urgent fact is that the aforementioned comment is, how do they say it in layman’s terms, very important.
Thats what they do. Current cabinets way of doing things, force.
Am Canadian. I fully believe that within the next year he will be openly talking about invading. Within a couple of could well be done. The guerrilla war will go on for ever though, you can take Canada but you will have a very hard time keeping it.
Am American. We (the broad majority) don’t want Canada. or Greenland. or Venezuela. Any of this fascist shit. I’m so fucking sick of this. I want to go back to politics being boring-ish and about deciding what taxes will and won’t pay for and having actual friends whom we aren’t actively bullying. I wish this scenario were laughable, but it’s not.
The guerrilla war will go on for ever though
You think Canadians are going to shoot mounties and cops in meaningful numbers?
Yes we will, Asshole.
I hope I’m wrong. But also maybe don’t post something that can be used against you to stop you from doing the thing.
Americans and traitors, the latter of which may include MAGA Canadians. There are currently an uncomfortable number of them (including cops, I suspect) that haven’t figured out that announcing your treasonous intentions all over Facebook and Twitter just makes it easier for everyone to know who the enemy is when conflict breaks out. And as the state is usually predisposed during conflict, traitors are typically dealt with by the mob…and the mob has a far less nuanced and humane view of justice.
These MAGA Canadians think it’s an edgy joke.
Americans and traitors
An occupation of Canada would mostly be handled by your own law enforcement, just under new management, though I’m sure a bunch of confederate-flag-pickup Albertans would sign up too, once hiring standards are removed.
Canada and Mexico should make a mutual defense pact. Being pinched by land wars would make things much rougher for the US.
Truth. We’d have a war on two fronts without ever leaving home.
Nearly two thirds of Canadians aren’t paying attention.
There are a lot of brain dead Albertans right now who are lining up to be completely obliterated by the US. They all think they’re going to become wealthy Americans, but the US just wants their resources…not them.
They really need to do some homework on the CNMI, because that’s their future as “Americans”.
They think, because they’re white, this won’t happen…but it was never a race war, it’s always been a class war.
And these people have no class.
Alberta
To begin with, much of the loud infowarrior rides are also there, trying to import MAGA garbage from south of the border, asides that some of their owners are also avoiding the IRS.
Or they fail to imagine a situation that seems unrealistic.
Or they can’t come to terms with it.
Or they are delusional.
I hope our military is prepared to do something about it
Look at Ukraine, the reason they were able to stay in the fight in the early days didn’t come down to military or numerical superiority or even strategic brilliance. They were not expected to be able to put up a meaningful fight and, therefore, not put up a fight…
For instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport:
The warnings by the CIA and Kireyev helped the Ukrainian military to prepare for an attack on Antonov Airport.[16][19][21] Conversely, the Ukrainians did not expect a large-scale airborne assault on Antonov Airport, instead assuming that the Russians would send a small group of special forces with helicopters in the case of an invasion.[22] As a result, the airport only held a small garrison of 200–300 National Guard troops belonging to the 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade, as the remainder had been moved to the frontline in eastern Ukraine.[1][23] These troops were mostly conscripts, though there were a “handful” of professional contract soldiers; aside from a few BTRs, at least one ZU-23-2 gun, and a few 9K38 Igla man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS), the garrison was lightly equipped.[24]
The lesson is that, not only the military needs to be prepared, but you, the inhabitants of Canada, need to be prepared.
Canadian military is a fraction of the size of the US military.
If invaded, prospects are bleak for Canada. The US has a better chance of invading Canada than they do invading Detroit.
Canadian citizens should arm up but I don’t think their laws allow for it.
I don’t think you’ve thought very deeply or very seriously about this.
I haven’t. There’s absolutely no need to “think deeply” about the strongest military in the world going up vs a nation that’s not in the conversation.
[We are strengthening ties with European defense] (https://www.politico.eu/article/canada-clinches-deal-to-join-europes-e150b-defense-scheme/)
Good For Canada. It’s a move in the correct direction for their country. In the meantime, they’re still outnumbered 30:1 in the USA of armed civilians vs. canadian military
US has lost to Canada each time they have incurred on our borders.
I wouldn’t bother, there is nothing to suggest this person is interested in seriously engaging on this topic. For example they seem to think the number of civilian owned firearms is a determining factor, when it hasn’t even helped the US to avoid fascism in their own country.
Deploy the mounties! Elbows up! Horses too!
Mounties, cops will all be deputized to the US side. There is no way they do the right thing when the time comes.
I wouldn’t run it past Trump; the guy is mentally unstable and a psychopath.
… and the American people are feckless sheep
PS: although I must recognize that, since the murder of Renee Good, it does seem that some are waking up
What actual things have happened since her killing to give you any hope of meaningful resistance in the US since then? Not (strictly) rhetorical.
To my mind, the minute the Trump regime feel the least bit threatened you’d see things like mass arrests and possibly martial law. But the American would be resistance is still holding out that the world, or the US at least, will still be there in a year so that they get to see if Trump will allow free and fair midterms.
I think it shows a strange effect about American geography. It’s really hard to organize a meaningful, resilient, and camera-worthy resistance because we’re so spread out. It’s all about congregating at big cities, like LA, Portland or Minneapolis.
Like, if British people wanted to protest and resist in the streets, they go to London. All of them. It’s accessible. Americans can’t do that with Washington DC.
But I’m in Kansas City, and while our No Kings protests have had not-insignificant turnouts, it’s not as easy or impactful because we had three protest sites across two-state suburban area. Can we get that many Kansas Citians to flock to Minneapolis to disrupt ICE ops? No, not really. It’s why all the major protest and ICE disruptions happen in the biggest cities of the “blue”-est states.
I don’t know about that, just five years ago Trump supporters managed to storm Capitol Hill – was pretty memorable and headline grabbing. Anti-Trump protestors can give whatever excuse they want for why they’re not equally capable or why they wouldn’t even something equally drastic, but the bottom line is that they don’t. Presumably because they lack the Maga movements to take risks and not play nice.
The conflict level is simply too low. It doesn’t take a million people to cause disruptions, but it takes escalation. Americans are too complacent to do that, a world war for instance are not high enough stakes – that’s just another war on foreign soil, something the warrior caste will deal with.
It’s simply going to take outside involvement – military and economic – to get rid of Trump.
I mean, did the Jan 6 riots accomplish anything?
Discrediting the rule of law, as proven by Merrick Garland and the apathy by Biden.
And so are Canadians… yikes
Since Good’s murder, I am finally starting to have hope of a successful American Revolution
No need to invade when Alberta’s government will do anything for oil money.
The UCP in Alberta and the CPC federally, are both so deep in Trumps pocket they’re trading pocket lint and hard mint candies as NFT’s.
The sad part is they try so hard and get no acknowledgment from Trump. Taking control of Venezuela has even created a financial quagmire for the UCP budget. Not that they probably care, they’ll just cut public services to keep the kleptocracy running.
I have the distinct feeling they won’t be calling an early election, if the UCP got what they really wanted, the next Alberta election would be held as an American territory, and the UCP would be running as Republicans.
Can, like, Canada and Denmark invade us instead? I wouldn’t have to convince my wife to move out of this shithole
Unfortunately the fix has to come from inside your own borders. You all have sacrificed way too much funding your military
I always love the duality of comments on this topic. America’s military is a Schrodinger’s Military at this point, both terrifying and completely non-existent basically depending on what time of day the conversation happens at.
Canadians can’t help because the military is so powerful (completely obvious and understandable) but also, like somebody up above said, “Americans are feckless sheep” for not shooting up the White House yet.
Everybody’s a hero until it’s their life on the line.
Militaries are only as strong as the country’s will to continue to fight. The US had great social upheaval for a relatively low casualty war in Vietnam (<60k dead in 8 yr). Compare the casualty rates from Vietnam with what Russia is experiencing in Ukraine (180-480k deaths in 3 yr).
I remember listening to Dan Carlin talk about how wars are typically won by the side that doesn’t know when to give up. Early Rome was this way. 1941 USSR was this way. 2026 USA is NOT going to win a drawn out, existential war. We would kill a lot of people, sure, thanks to all the weapons and guns but we don’t think we have what it takes to win a major power war anymore.
We’re waiting until the USA economy collapses under Trump’s incompetence and the military refuses orders because they’re not being paid. Then we leisurely walk in.
We really appreciate it man.
The Dutch can take back NY anytime.
We would bring scary things like free wealthfare with us. And all americans were to accept it. Nonnegotiable. Almost a dictatorship like move.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Only a third?
Only a third? “Believe may” is a very low bar. It’s like people who have “considered leaving” their job on the past year, because if you ever had a passing thought like “it might be nice to work there” you fall into that category.
What I’m saying is that this poll is useless and the article is a non-story.
You’re wrong saying that it’s a non-story. If you’d asked the question ten years ago, it wouldn’t be a third. The news is that this possibility has been born. That’s big news.
The movie Meet The Robinsons came out in 2007 and takes place in 2037. In that movie, Canada is called North Montana. I remember telling my sister about it and her saying that was ridiculous because there was basically zero chance Canada and the US would go to war within 30 years. It was seemingly completely unfeasible. Now it seems like a real possibility
It’s a “temperature round” tracking nascent anxiety. Not useless but not very specific.
Also I really do not see the US invading canada. It’s too large, it’s like invading russia.
Its large but the Canadians are mostly concentrated in pockets near the border.
90% south of the northernmost part of the continental united states, international falls, minnesota.
The propaganda is working!
Soon everyone can cower to this demented administration.
Mostly dependent on how much public attention there currently is on him being a confirmed pedophile.
It will depend on the world’s reaction when he goes for Greenland in a couple of weeks. Most probably nothing will happen so, unless americans sheeps starts a civil war (lol), he will try something on Canada for sure (he already said there’s an energy / electricity crisis, that why I suspect he’ll go for Quebec first). Most Canadians will probably bend over if they’re offered one year of free Amazon delivery and 50% off Netflix. Ford and Smith will collaborate in exchange for being named governors.
Canada is running a pretty strong boycott of US products right now. For example of the Canadians planning a trip to the US in 2025 56% of them cancelled it or went to another destination, which is not the US. Seriously airlines are replanning their flights, due to the massive drop in demand. Something similar is happening with US products and services, but some are hard to replace. However Netflix and Amazon are not.
Not sure how “the end of NATO” will result in nothing happening! Can you elaborate on how major trade and military and diplomatic agreements will not be withdrawn, and result in no reaction?
Giving the reaction to the clear violation of international agreements in Venezuela, and pretty much every country saying it’s ok for the US to invade a country to steal ressouces, I’m not sur what you expect will happen. Greenland will be the official end of NATO and Europe will probably create its own alliance. Knowing Trump’s plan to take Canada, they will obviously chicken out and leave us on our own. Most countries have already, or will soon turn far-right, do you expect these leaders to stand up for anything else than themselves?
