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    “normal” people don’t bring firearms to a protest rally

    That’s not what y’all were saying about Rittenhouse.

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    I’m doomscrolling his linkedin page and it’s non-stop idiotic garbage. I stopped at the GDP chart explaining why Alberta shouldn’t be “trapped” in Canada.

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      I did the same. Everything about him screams “My ex and my shitty kid doesn’t speak to me”

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        I don’t think he’s a real person. Real estate agent? This person would be unemployable. I bet it’s a lame propaganda bot.

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      Wait this post didn’t show enough that this person’s speech should be heard as much as you want to hear any older generation farting?

      Mean kudos to the journey but it’s like looking up a lava path and thinking, maybe I’ll try it, while never having done a physical activity regularly.

      Ah he’s from AB though (mean the only ones besides bots who probably have an option of a province in Canada)…used to live there…moved away, had to move back, made sure my only goal was not to live there. Plus I lived in the ass end of AB where it was -40 for a week (well think global warming killed that but my memory) so was my mission to get back to the coast. Made it halfway, could be worse.

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    Kyle Rittenhouse took an assault rifle to a state he didn’t live in and shot 3 people, killing 2. He was acquitted on all counts. The is no way to measure the hypocrisy. It’s simply mind boggling.

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      He was charged with (effectively) taking a sawn-off shotgun across state lines, which he didn’t do as it was a full-size rifle, and second degree murder, which requires homicide while committing another crime, but the other charge fell through, so there was no other crime. He probably would have been found guilty of something if he’d been charged with crimes he did rather than ones he didn’t, but the prosecutor fucked up, whether by incompetence or because they wanted to ensure he got off after nominally going through a trial so justice could be claimed to have been done.

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          Maybe but not really. It would be an easy 5th amendment challenge for Rittenhouse if the state wanted to try and bring charges against him.

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        Kyle Rittenhouse is probably the most textbook definition of self defense there has been. There was some good lawyering to get around the age issue, but at the same time I’m not sure I want someone facing a felony because they aren’t 21. That doesn’t change anything on the ACAB front.

        Both things can be true. Bring guns and posters of him to protests. Make it difficult for anyone supporting ICE.

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          It’s not self-defence to shoot people if the only reason they’re approaching you is that you pointed a gun at them or someone else and they’re attempting to disarm you because it appears that you’re about to shoot someone or just shot someone. Otherwise anyone with a firearm can just point it at whoever and if they react at all, have free reign to shoot them. In fact, it’s illegal to point a gun at someone else in the first place unless they’re already attacking you (or in some states have entered your property), and Rittenhouse pointing a gun at someone else was the trigger for the whole incident. If he’d been charged for pointing a gun at people, then the second-degree murder charge would have stuck, as self defence isn’t a defence against second-degree murder (otherwise a home invader could claim self defence if they shot the homeowner when confronted).

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            The only time he pointed his gun at them was after they pursued him. One of them also had a gun pointed at him. He attempted to retreat which means the attackers were in the wrong.

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              He had already shot someone before the other person with a gun drew it and pointed it at him. You have not seen the unedited video from the beginning, or have forgotten what it showed.

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                Or more likely just arguing in bad faith and has no idea what they’re talking about.

                I’ve been encountering a LOT of people who “know” what the videos of Renee Good and Alex Pretti show, and while I’m arguing specific points they get frustrated and say they haven’t watched any video and they know what they saw on the news.

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                  The Renee good video also shows that at most, her wreckless driving away was self defence. She did not deserve to be executed for that.

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              Why won’t you consider that they pursued him in self-defense?

              A dude enters a protest with the intent to agitate, points his rifle at people. Some people attempt to disarm him. He trips over his own feet while fleeing and decides his only option is to shoot some people.

              You say he shot in self-defense, but you won’t say the protestors pursuing him were acting in self-defense. Why?

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                You can’t pursue someone in self defense, at least normal people can’t. Cops get away with that level of bullshit, but that’s not relevant here.

                Showing up to a protest with a gun is fine. According to the trial he didn’t point at anyone until after he was chased.

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                  If someone has a rifle, they can shoot you from at least 100m. If you’re worried about that happening your options are either to find cover, or close the distance to mitigate the advantage of the person carrying the rifle.

                  He can run away fifty paces, turn around and shoot you whether you pursue him or not. Your best chance is to disarm him, especially if there’s a crowd of people he could potentially target and not just you.

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              I’m not even sure if this is true or not, I’m assuming it’s not, but can you explain to the class how it is that you can be okay with the people who are dead being victim blamed, all the while everyone on planet earth knows the piece of shit traveled there precisely to stir up trouble, and it’s not remotely far fetched to think he hoped for an excuse to kill? The result of him traveling there with the intent, to at-minimum agitate and intimidate, is dead people who would be alive today if he hadn’t made that decision.

              I think to make an argument that a dead person deserves to be dead, you either have to stifle any ounce of empathy a human being normally has, or consider the dead to be unredeemable evil monsters. But maybe you can explain it differently?

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                Stir up trouble against the other people stirring up trouble and looting?

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          Goddammit I’m so sick of people defending that piece of fucking shit. He sought to murder and he did. Not even slightly self defense.

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              People who defend rittenhouse always remind me of this woman I briefly dated in 2020. She is a lawyer and threw up a huge red flag by claiming that when Breonna Taylor was killed by police, they 100% followed all the policies perfectly. Fast forward a few months and courts decided precisely opposite of that conclusion, as I expected. Dodged a bullet breaking it off with that woman early on.

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            Being present there was legal. You can think the choice is stupid, but being stupid isn’t a crime.

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              Genius: intentions don’t matter if the actions taken surrounding them are legal. I guess all the times that intent mattered in a legal context were completely in my imagination. Weird.

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          Not from what I’ve been taught and learned. Lesson 1 is never put yourself in a situation you would need to use lethal force to survive. As well he wasn’t hired by anyone to protect any property. The entire “self defense” argument falls apart at the start as he should have not been there at all.

          Then comes the argument about “the protestors shouldn’t have been there at all” and that’s where I call them a CHUD, insult them further, then ignore them. Because they just showed expressing one’s first amendment rights isn’t a reason to be protesting.

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          I think the best way of putting it was “what he did was stupid, but it’s not illegal to be stupid” Like yeah, he shouldn’t have been there, but hindsight doesn’t matter when you’re on the ground getting beaten with a skateboard and all you have to defend yourself is a rifle.

          He still is a POS despite it being self defence

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      It’s not hypocrisy. The right killing the left is always justified in their mind, they have never claimed otherwise. It’s quite consistent really.

      The reality is they’re too illiterate to properly explain themselves and their cult leaders aren’t offering the words for it on this one.

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        But “the left is so violent!” Is all I ever keep hearing from rightwingers I know. Meanwhile examples of political violence from the right is always “oh that’s just an isolated incident.”

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    Idk the authenticity of that but “he dressed up at a party once so the state should be able to murder him” is a pretty pathological take

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    About the not bringing a gun to a protest, it reminds of the way they would say “did you see what she was wearing” about a rape victim.

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    Doesn’t America not have a culture of carrying firearms with you, especially to protests? Also imagine the media using a picture of you at a drunken party or something if you tragically died.

    1000097960

    Even X says it’s a lie

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        I didn’t know white people could racists to other white people. “They all look the same to me.”

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          I’m white and increasingly think white people look the same. Minus hair color and style choices anyway - and in many demographics of hhhhwhite people, those are increasingly homogenous.

          Tbf tho most of being able to differentiate between people of different phenotypic groupings just relies on exposure. Like the “all asian people look the same” stereotype is just bc the people who believe that have not seen enough asian people to be able to learn to tell them apart.

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    Literally not even the same person. The guy on the right has neck tattoos, also he’s got tattoos on his arms and pretti didn’t.

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      Their face is also completely different. They don’t even look similar, like at all.

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    I dressed up as Marilyn Monroe one Halloween as a teen. The costume had the most ridiculous padding on the butt and chest, it was clearly a silly costume and not any sort of statement. The amount of vitriol I faced was eye opening for me. I’m honestly glad I did it because it showed me how people treat those that make them feel uncomfortable. I thought, “if this is how they treat me on Halloween I can’t imagine what other people go through every day” and this was well before trans people were made the boogeyman of the week.

    Guess I deserve to die now? Eat a fuckin dick, Bob.

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      Yeah, I avoided coming out for years because I didn’t think I could handle cishet people looking at me and laughing, or their insults. It’s still difficult.

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      A kid wore a dress in high school for Halloween. The exact people you would expect it from, the ones with rapey vibes, couldn’t keep their hands off him and end up ripping it off him.

      Also, it was the dress of his mother who was in the process of dying of cancer and they all knew that.