• FreshLight@sh.itjust.works
    19·
    2 days ago

    I love how OP restricted themselves to only respond in the mentioned phrases and how some have quite the reaction. Got me rolling.

  • wpb@lemmy.world
    8·
    2 days ago

    The number of responses in this thread that sound emotional is making me feel big and strong

  • Wataba@sh.itjust.works
    17·
    3 days ago

    Ok?

    Why though? Isn’t there enough misery and shittiness in the world as is? Why stoke the hostility?

    For fun?

  • Wander@sh.itjust.works
    632·
    3 days ago

    I’m so glad I’m not short. Short guys just get shit on so much. Been at parties where someone just out of nowhere says “You’d be hot if you wasn’t short”. Like imagine that for anything else “you’d be hot if you wasn’t black”. “You’d be hot if you wasn’t in a wheelchair” just getting shit on for genetics.

    Same girls also cry murder if somebody says something about a fat girl, which is in their control.

    • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
      81·
      3 days ago

      This has got to be a weird american thing i s2g i have never ever in my damned near 50 years heard that shit.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
      176·
      3 days ago

      For the shorties out there.

      Own yourself, short king, and people will be drawn to you like magic. It’s not confidence, it’s loving and accepting yourself. That’s all. Self-love creates a gravity for more love.

      Anyone so shallow that they would judge you by your height is someone you don’t want be involved with. As soon as you get to know someone, their appearance ceases to matter and all that is left is the human being underneath. Consider those situations bullets dodged.

      • BioDriver@lemmy.world
        13·
        3 days ago

        As a short dude myself I wish this were true. I’m confident and have accepted my fate. Yet even when I thought we were grooving and clearly compatible I’d still get hit with “sorry you’re not tall enough,” even when she was like 5’0. I don’t know how the hell I got lucky to get my wife, but she’s clearly the exception not the norm.

        • SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space
          2·
          3 days ago

          I think it might come down to some kind of internalized power trip of perceived desirability (to other women perhaps, or maybe their parents or something) by women or girls who promote or attach themselves to those types of toxic notions. It’s like a toned down version of people obsessing over boob size, penis size, butt size, facial shape, hair/skin/nails etc. It’s like there’s no end for some people who go down that route of wanting to be perceived of as perfect in all ways at all times to all people.

          It does suck how many people fall into those types of frameworks though. To me it has sometimes felt like, to varying degrees, that my drive to make connections, relate to others, procreate (thanks nature), or seek vindication through others are often at odds with themselves, and that valuing someone for their virtues is not always a typical mode of behavior that people are generally taught to recognize the usefulness of or learn to practice in their own relationships.

          I never know what to say when people comment on my height. I try to not be too judgmental of people for their appearances or abilities based upon first impressions, though I also haven’t found many good ways of helping others overcome the trauma of having to deal with numerous people who all seem to operate under limited presumptions about life, power, influence, or imposition of values in an attempt to “universalize” their preferences, adversities, or assessments they have made that often are akin to some type of “root-cause-analysis” statements for determining the motivations for the behaviors of others in their lives.

      • Wander@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        3 days ago

        I mean yea.

        But we need to accept life is harder for short guys. If you just want to get laid, harder. If you want a promotion, harder. If you want to be treated nicer, harder.

        All those things you said help and are good. But not not pretend hightism doesn’t exist.

        • SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space
          33·
          3 days ago

          I think that your sentiment about “fat” people is true about 80-90% of the time around the world. Though I have heard that some places literally have “food deserts” in which supermarkets don’t really exist, or the ones that do might not stock healthy options. And in other situations some folks might only be able to afford (financially or executive-functionally) unhealthier options that might either take less time to select or prepare, or cost less money or driving time to procure. I think that’s probably where the downvote is coming from is people who feel unable to escape obesity due to a variety of limiting factors in their day-to-day lives which inhibit them from taking preliminary steps. not to say that going on a walk or taking the extra effort is not within their control, but that some people still struggle with it anyways, sometimes for reasons that seem counterintuitive or like that they should not be a real issue to deal with in practice but wind up being so anyways for some people who have never learned ways around the problems (or haven’t tried all or perhaps any of the different options yet) that they are dealing with.

          there have also been decades-long propaganda campaigns by various lobbying groups to sow misinformation about dietary recommendations which leave me a bit more sympathetic to people who fall for the promises of various fad diets which sometimes go around in certain populations, (keto, paleo, plant-based [for health {separate in my perspective from people who legitimately decide for themselves to go “vegan for the animals”}] , fasting schedules [again for health reasons, I know religious fasting also to have a different meaning and origination of intention/purpose for lots of people], etc.)

            • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              Well technically, you could have your legs shattered, and then stretched out, casted up.

              You know, just a simple lifestyle change, nothing major, no chance that could horrendously backfire.

              Like, uh, its looksmaxxing for your… legs… or something.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        ‘There is a form of socially acceptable discrimination against a subset of people based around a fundamental intrinsic element of those people that they are totally incapable of changing.’

        ‘Chin up, be strong, don’t let the bastards get you down!’

        Oh so … not a situation where we maybe need or could benefit from a serious society-wide discussion of this problem, the solution to this form of bigotry is uh… its a personal responsibility.

        Got it.

            • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
              1·
              23 hours ago

              I understood it and agree with the societal premise underneath. However, you put words in my mouth that I did not say or imply. As someone who claims to also be autistic, I expected better from you. I would encourage you to read what I said again, and think about what I did say rather than an imaginary thing I did not say.

              • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                21·
                23 hours ago

                Oh I’m doing this thing called paraphrasing, to illustrate how what you’re saying sounds to people who are not you and may not think the same way as you do.

                Had I intended to actually quote you, I would have used

                actual quote formatting.

                Do you agree or disagree that shaming of shorter men is a socially acceptable form of bigotry?

                Can you see how you proposing an individualistic solution to that, where you likely would propose a social solution to other social problems… is something of a double standard?

                (As an example, men openly shaming/insulting overweight women)

                Finally: My paraphrasing of what you said is in fact accurate. You suggested that the solution to this problem is for men to just be confident in knowing that bigots are bad people.

                Cool, but that doesn’t stop the bigotry.

                • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  20 hours ago

                  If I talk about how great guacamole is, I am not talking shit about poutine, I am talking about how great guacamole is.

                  For now I will assume you are having a bad day and that is why you are attacking internet strangers over imaginary arguments. Whatever you are going through, I hope your day gets better.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      Yeah, my idea of being a ‘man’ includes the part where you wingman for your shorter buddies.

      (in the context of ‘everyone is single and out to mingle’)

      Some chick (or dude, or w/e if your bro is amenable) comes on to you at a bar?

      Chat them up a bit, introduce them to your unironically very cool and awesome shorter friend, tell them a story about the one time bro made you look like an idiot, then metaphorically hand the mic over to him, etc.

      Call it anti-chad type bro behvaior, I dunno.

      Like, to me, thats what ‘Bros before Hoes’ means.

      It means you don’t personally scour the field yourself, there has to be some sense of equity.

      Don’t make the problem worse, instead, try to be part of the solution.

  • halfeatenpotato@sh.itjust.works
    12·
    3 days ago

    I’m actually a little surprised at the reactions in this thread. When I read this, I was thinking of my husband and friends I could casually drop these lines on, and it’s something we’d all laugh about. I guess I just wasn’t thinking of someone using any of these lines sincerely or maliciously, and idk I didnt get the vibe that OP is just a straight cunt that hates men. But I could be totally wrong.

    At any rate, somewhere in the thread below, u/wonderingwanderer created an alternate woman ragebait list, and that shit was hilarious as well. My personal favorite was “Act your weight”.

    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      5·
      3 days ago

      I don’t know chippy, but I don’t get that vibe either. I can tell you that wanderingwonderer is known for throwing a tantrum every time men come up in conversation, so :shrug:

      Was act your weight at the bottom of that list? That is fucked up. xD

  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
    1105·
    4 days ago

    In other words, “be a dick to somebody and watch them get angry.” Not sure why that’s gendered.

    Also, most of this is promoting toxic masculinity, so if it’s supposed to have a quasi-feminist undertone, it’s not doing it right.

          • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
            222·
            3 days ago

            Really? You don’t think so. Okay, let’s try an experiment

            (Disclaimer: the following statements do not reflect the views or opinions of the author)

            how to rage bait a woman

            • “what would you make for dinner if you could cook?”

            • “whatever makes you feel independent and empowered!”

            • “huh”…“huh”…“huh”…

            • repeat what they say with a nerdy voice

            • “Relax, it’s not that deep.”

            • “You wouldn’t get it.”

            • “That’s such a fat chick thing to say.”

            • “ok buddy”

            • “it’s probably hard always being wrong”

            • “your time of the month huh?”

            • “whatever helps you sleep at night”

            • “Do things normally work out for you when you do that?”

            • “You sound emotional right now.”

            • “Act your weight”

            • “Did you think abt changing your hair?”

            There. Is the blatant sexism obvious enough yet? Or is that only acceptable when it’s directed at men?

          • Bluewing@lemmy.world
            5·
            3 days ago

            Have you ever noticed that people who are “always wrong” are seldom bothered by that fact?

        • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
          72·
          3 days ago

          Woop, someone who isn’t okay with a double-standard! I guess a “RealMan™” would take it on the chin and not be offended, right? Don’t worry, just be okay with being walked on like a fucking doormat, and if you get upset about it we’ll just use that as ammunition to demean you even more! And if we push you past your psychological breaking point then we’ll all act shocked and call you aggressive and wonder “How could this happen?”

          Blame the individual for the inevitable consequences of a societal outlook. And if it starts happening with millions of individuals then we’ll just blame them all as individuals because they must be fundamentally and inherently flawed, and not just psychologically damaged by constant bullying and ostracization.

          Oh, but it’s not victim blaming when the victim is a man, right? “If you got bullied, what did you do to deserve it?” “Maybe if you dressed like a normal person people wouldn’t pick on you so much.” “People can sense a pushover, just have confidence and you’ll get more respect.”

          Honestly, go fuck yourself you privileged little shit.

  • Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
    1342·
    4 days ago

    I’m 165cm (5’4")

    Everything I say is a short guy thing to say

    I can’t believe so many men are insecure about being me. I’m me and it’s pretty damn cool. The feeling of fresh grass on my chin in the spring… the cover of mushrooms when it rains… the company of leprechauns… I see only pros and no cons

    • jdr@lemmy.ml
      45·
      4 days ago

      Ya but I bet you’ve never felt the abrupt bliss of donking your head on a doorframe.

    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
      25·
      4 days ago

      Lol. But here, have some actually great benefits I wish I had:

      • The bed is long enough (u don’t need a custom made)
      • cars are great (u don’t need to imitate a giraffe to half-assed see the world outside, or take the seat out)
      • you can kiss a woman while… Errr…you know. (Not trying to pull her nose out of your bellybutton first)
      • clothes actually are your size (you dont need 12xl shirts, just so the arms fit but you can also go camping with your tent)
      • airplanes are cheap (u dont have to buy 1st class just to not fold yourself in the middle)
      • doors are OK (u dont need to duck. Which u learned through pain)

      But there are also benefits…like having a better oversight over crowds and. Err…yes.

      • lauha@lemmy.world
        20·
        4 days ago

        Here’s more benefits:

        • you can wiggle your feet in the air when sitting on a chair
        • adjusting car seat is always easy; just pull it all the way to front
        • you can eat her ass while standing
        • you can have a nap even on two person couch
        • you don’t have to buy a huge pickup even if your dick is small
        • you can work in the mines and have innate knowledge about metallurgy and smithing

        Wait, what was the topic again?

        • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
          1·
          3 days ago

          I lold at the last one 😁

          But seriously…beside the silly “men shall be tall” (why even? To protect others from lions?) There aren’t many benefits to being taller than average.

          And my largest downside: I’d love a woman that’s taller than me. But there aren’t many…

          • lauha@lemmy.world
            1·
            3 days ago

            Seriously the biggest benefit is that I always fit in places and never feel cramped

            • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
              1·
              2 days ago

              Oh yes…in some buildings, where the ceiling is very close to my head, I feel very cramped and hate it. Had to move through cellars where I had to basically crouch. Ugh.

              • lauha@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                Actually I just remembered one minus: tall people are used to not bumping their head on low things. Once I was visiting a museum where they have an old house with really low door ways, low even for me and I was constantly knocking my head because I am not used to having to crouch.

                • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  Hehe, yeah. i have that as a reflex. ducking whenever i go through a door. because i bumped my cute lil bald head way too often and learned the hard way :) But given the choice, I’d rather be shorter. like 1,6m or so. That’d be optimal.

      • Bluewing@lemmy.world
        3·
        3 days ago

        You missed the “everyone thinks you are there just to reach things for them”. Women in particular seem to feel entitled to my reach. The few men that ask are either walking with a cane or sitting in a wheelchair.

        Even my Wife, 5"4"/163cm has no problem interrupting me from whatever I’m doing to reach things for her. Despite having 3 step stools in the house just for her.

        But if it gets to be too much of a hassle and pisses me off, I start asking her to pick things up off the floor for me because she’s closer to it. She then has a fit because I’m making fun of her height, and then she stops asking me-- for a while.

        • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
          1·
          3 days ago

          Oh yes…if I’m alone noone ever talks to me (resting bitch-face-syndrome), but when I’m shopping with wifey, I get asked at least once per trip to fetch shit off a shelf.

          But also yes, exclusively women or handicapped men. A “normal” guy would probably rather die than ask another guy for help.

          Wifey rarely asks though, she actually prefers a step-stool or whatever before asking for help.

      • BJW@lemmus.orgEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        Another benefit is slightly longer lifespan as the heart doesn’t need to work as hard for blood to travel as much distance.

    • Yeather@lemmy.ca
      2·
      3 days ago

      I don’t think a lot of men are insecure about 5’4. I think it’s more the 5’7 to 5’11 guys that are insecure. Better to be abnormally short than average.

    • Tiral@lemmy.world
      72·
      4 days ago

      You learn to cope or you get mad. I’m glad you coped with being Frodo’s brother.