Want to wade into the rainbow-ridden surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.
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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, happy Pride Month, peeps)
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/79948695/how-can-i-avoid-using-llms-as-a-software-developer
For me, the ideal usage case for LLMs are not prompts like āwrite this appā or āwrite this functionalityā which indeed will often wreck havoc, but instead write simple functions. Sure, I can implement a matrix multiplication algorithm or search for optimised versions of it, but so can the LLM in a matter of seconds.
Please, just fucking donāt, BLAS and sparse pack and the netlib exists for a reason. Matrix multiply only sounds simple to you because you donāt actually care that much. The last thing anyone wants or needs is to start a new job and have to debug your awful regurgitated Numerical Recipes In C, incorrectly ported to python, AT SCALE.
Easiest way to avoid using LLMs as a software developer appears to be to get a religious exemption
Got another chance to experience slop firsthand when the instructor for my electrician course was āencouragedā to use the hallucinatron to help create our final exam on the NEC. Now given that the NEC is a dense technical document with a lot of minor but significant variation across its considerable length, this was clearly a perfect use case. Hereās how it shook out:
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It condensed 100 multiple choice questions from the input to 36
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On one question ā1-2 inchesā was simplified to ā12ā
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Units in general seem to have been dropped off a lot of questions and answer choices. Usually this didnāt matter too much but itās a bad look
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Another question asked about fill percentages for a 30 inch conduit. If you look around your office or he and see a >2ft diameter piece of PVC pipe let me know because the tables in the NEC only go up to 6 inches. This is actually a unit issue again because one of the questions on the input test referred to a 30mm conduit which, you know, does actually exist.
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Other questions had a correct answer matching a generic part of the NEC, but had additional information added as a distractor that ended up matching to more specific elements that changes the relevant rule.
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Several questions asked about the reasoning behind a certain rule. Notably the NEC rarely actually gets into that information, as itās already an incredibly long reference and policy document and would be made even more unweildy if it gave the justification for everything that you should be learning as part of becoming a licensed electrician.
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However, this rarely mattered as the answer choices for those questions uniformly included an obviously correct answer about a generic safety risk and distractors about doing things for cost savings, aesthetic reasons, or arbitrarily.
Given that one of the challenges of this test is time management and looking things up, having to deal with the extra layer of āis this just slop or am I missing somethingā ended up adding an extra and unintended layer of difficulty onto the test. As always, no matter how egregious or obnoxious the errors introduced by AI, the biggest problem is the loss of trust: you can no longer assume that the text youāre reading was put together with the intended purpose in mind rather than being generated to be statistically similar to text matching that purpose. Even if the differences are relatively small in scope, as they were for most questions on the test, they significantly harm the actual communication of information.
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OT: Finally had to break with a long-time friend after he started sliding more and more into fascism. Feeling quite overwhelmed and emotionally exhausted right now.
Thatās awful, losing a friend that way is like a death without a funeral.
my commisserations. i severed contacts with a number of people who went the anti-vaccine way and itās fucking sad.
Damn. That sucks.
Sorry to hear that, friend. It hurts to do even when itās the right choice. Hang in there.
A keynote talk suggested, āDo away with a physics midterm, ask students to converse with AI Isaac Newton.ā
In the quotes, we find the useful suggestion that the program could be ELIZA-sized.
ā Hi, AIsaac! Can you tell me about physics?
ā Go away.
ā What?
ā Youāre a moron and youāre TRYING TO STEAL MY IDEAS.
ā Look, AIsaac, I donāt thinkā
ā DID LEIBNIZ PUT YOU UP TO THIS?
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ā just GO AWAY I have MERCURY FUMES TO BREATHE.
this one is dystopian
He gave an anecdote about his niece having a hard life moment, and him sending her a personalized song made with Suno to cheer her up. āNot the best, but it took 3 minutes!ā Keep in mind, this man is a practicing musician who has composed an entire symphony.
If I were a skilled music person and I wanted to spend 3 minutes cheering someone up, Iād record myself playing āHere Comes the Sunā on my guitar, yāknow?
Iād go for This Year by The Mountain Goats personally, but that may say more about me than it does the overall concept.
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S&P have decided not to allow SpaceX early entry into the index after all https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/sp-global-keeps-fast-entry-proposal-unchanged-spacex-listing-looms-2026-06-04/
āTo ābe included in the S&P 500, a company must be profitable under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles in its most recent quarter as āwell as for the sum of its most recent four quarters, according to one of the rules S&P left unchanged.ā
To ābe included in the S&P 500, a company must be profitable
This is just discrimination. Is S&P scared of innovation? HFSP
OpenAI and Anthropic right now: oh no
Part of me wants to believe the whole S&P special treatment announcement was designed to bait them into disclosing numbers, but the more realistic side of me believes this is a nervous backpedal because theyāve realized the inevitable consequences of allowing this blunder to play out in full.
A company has to disclose a lot of numbers backed by serious legal penalties before an IPO.
Whenever a stock market has gone up 29% in a year and a New Era story is circulating, people with corner offices and Savile Row suite start to do stupid ****. I think that is why financiers started to bend the rules.
Today from the āyou have got to be fucking kidding meā- dept Hackers Simply Asked Meta AI to Give Them Access to High-Profile Instagram Accounts. It Worked
Before AI, the user was the weakest part of any cybersecurity system. Now, that has completely changed.
They still are the weakest part. We just missed the projection part of the āgreat replacement theoryā pushed by the tech right.
What if we combined all the terrifying unfettered access of an admin user holding a USB stick in front of the server with the naive obedience of a particularly dumb golden retriever and the reliable execution of Windows ME if it was off its ADHD meds?
CW: USA Politics
That suppressed Democratic National Committe 2024 āpostmortemā report turns out to have been pure slop, with essentially no references and entirely made-up charts and plots while also missing entire sections. The author can produce exactly zero interview transcripts or source data. It also neglects interrogating failures in addressing trans rights, the genocide in Gaza, or the affordability crisis.
The podcast āIt Could Happen Hereā does a good job of analysis (disgusted), but long-time sneerers will feel the futility of getting into the weeds with an extruded textual artifact:
Tl:dl the deeply institutionalist DNC chairman appointed his best buddy to the job with zero oversight, and this was the result.
A second vibecoded Aella website has hit the building
thereās a lot of ladies i know without guys, but who want kids. and i go āwould you accept some rich guy paying u a ton of money to just have his kid as a single parentā and theyāre like āidk man prob notā and im like āwaht if it was 5mā and theyāre all magically like āoh yeah i would do itā
so i made a directory for this, but i am trying to find ladies who would actually like to list themselves with their moonshot baby-funding goal. if u know anybody who wouldnāt mind making a profile pls let me know, i wanna publicize the directory but need enough seeded ladies first
Sometimes I think itāll eventually come out that the inner circle rationalists already had a breeding program going by this time, deliberately mix and matching possibly oblivious parents according to desired characteristics like increased ability to mentally rotate shapes or an above average polymarket win/loss ratio, and there will be at least a few kids that will grow up having to deal with that shit.
considering how much their philosophy aligns with the plot of dune, iām afraid you may be right
their philosophy aligns with the plot of dune
Only in the Torment Nexus sense. Like, in the original books it takes 4000 years of tragedy and sacrifice at an immense scale to somewhat unfuck the direct implications of said breeding program and ensure humanityās continued existence.
edit: also the genetic engineering enthusiast faction/race are absolutely never presented in a good light.
the 4000 years of necessary tragedy and sacrifice, aka the golden path, is also remarkably similar to the rationalistsā teleology! specifically the longtermist stuff! i.e. itās okay to sacrifice lives today to ensure humanityās survival.
i think herbertās feelings about breeding programs are ā¦ complicated. he never presents it as ethical but he does seem fascinated by the concept and heās very very into the idea of forging supermen from extreme environmental pressure. like ācomes up several times per bookā levels of fascinated.
the 4000 years of necessary tragedy and sacrifice, aka the golden path, is also remarkably similar to the rationalistsā teleology! specifically the longtermist stuff! i.e. itās okay to sacrifice lives today to ensure humanityās survival.
Only in the broadest sense where humanity survives into the far future by spreading so far and wide that no matter the scale of a catastrophe a significant part will always continue to thrive.
However, where longtermism is about papercliping the entire universe into compute to fulfil some vague utilitarian notion of virtual happiness quota, the GP seems to be more about crippling the substructure that ostensibly causes humanity again and again be reduced to the whims of some supreme authority, be it the automated thinking machines from their past or their current much harder to escape succession of psychic tyrants let loose by selectively breeding for something humanity had absolutely no natural defence against.
The GP isnāt even a utopia, itās a response to an immediate incredibly out of the box problem, the inevitability of an eventual dynasty of space wizard genghis khans.
i think herbertās feelings about breeding programs are ā¦ complicated. he never presents it as ethical but he does seem fascinated by the concept and heās very very into the idea of forging supermen from extreme environmental pressure. like ācomes up several times per bookā levels of fascinated.
I think they come second to his concerns about ecology and humanityās relation to the environment. Post-desert fremen are basically water-fat cosplayers, and in general, other than the deliberately paradigm shattering kwisatz haderach, the end product of genetic adjustment are never presented as an apex for humanity, more like a good fit for their niche, like how post-emperor fish-speakers either peter-out or get subsumed by other factions.
No, the golden path isnāt a utopia! Itās the necessary breaking of eggs to make the survival of humanity omelet. Itās sort of a more twisted version of Asimovās Foundation carried entirely in the mind of a being with perfect knowledge of causality. The details of the plot donāt necessarily map neatly, but the aesthetics, the fantasy, the torture-versus-dust-specksness of it is what the rationalists are all about. (Another wrinkle is that in Dune I believe [havenāt read beyond godemperor] ultimately the solution is to create a being that escapes prophecy, a neat little transcendent conjuration. Solving alignment doesnāt quite have the same oomph but it is also essentially a magic trick you can do if your freethinking and selfreliance stats are high enough. Also remember Rat!Harryās patronus is a Human! Benevolent AI should be seen as the liberated, transcendent form of the human mind.)
Have you read the Dosadi Experiment? Itās a very strange book and a good way to get a high dose of Herbertās obsessions from a new perspective.
To be clear I love Dune, and I find Herbert fascinating because his ideas always find themselves in tension and are often baffling and muddled enough to provoke entertaining discussion. But the more you scratch the more unambiguously evil he is.
Nerding out about Dune is tremendously cool and i love it, you can pick any thread to pull and it always goes somewhere.
The details of the plot donāt necessarily map neatly, but the aesthetics, the fantasy, the torture-versus-dust-specksness of it is what the rationalists are all about.
Isnāt aspiring for the aesthetics while ignoring the (admittedly heavily lore driven and not especially applicable to irl) substance exactly what the torment nexus meme is about though? Except I donāt think there is a dust-speckness aspect to the GP, you arenāt future-human-population-maxxing1, the point seems to be to ensure there is a future where humanityās collective free will isnāt utterly tethered to a prescient autocrat2, and the prescriptive aspect is that we should be part of an open system instead of say locked in with the great man of history du jour, which is also in keeping with the ecological framing.
Itās been a while but I donāt think the Golden Path is even that front and center in the text, Dune 4: GEOD is basically a character study on the God emperor, who is one of the most unique and fascinating characters in sci-fi3.
I think this is why the GP is a TINA situation by authorial decree, itās Frank Herbert going listen, Iām doing my best to write a suicidal rebirth god archetype as a layered and relatable-yet-utterly-othered character, you are not supposed to be worrying that much if there could be a GP-but-liberal with more individual thriving and less oppressive totalitarianism, I assure you heās thought about it extensively and he thinks there sure canāt and thatās it.
Have you read the Dosadi Experiment? Itās a very strange book and a good way to get a high dose of Herbertās obsessions from a new perspective.
The Bureau of Saboteurs books along with Godmakers were my favourite non-Dune Herbert books! I also found the Dragon in the Sea fascinating 20 years ago and think I should revisit, and also finally read the follow up collaborations that only seem to be available unofficially. Also The White Plague gave late-teens me nightmares.
I remember Dosadi as being more about FH going all out on the intrigue and deep lore to the point where the latter parts of the book are basically written in innuendo, you are literally expected to read between the lines to understand what the hell is going on, I wish my parents had as much faith in me as Frank Herbert had in his readers.
But the more you scratch the more unambiguously evil he is.
The worst aspects of FH Iām aware of are that he was a shitty fucking parent and hated Iron Maiden, unambiguously evil seems stretching it, unless you were his son.
I think there even is a case to be made about how Frank Herbert is the anti-L. Ron Hubbard, using sci-fi literature as an efficient outlet for his psychedelics/mysticism/ecology/psychosexuality obsession oscilliation and actually leaving a descent literary legacy instead of starting a cult or several, but this post is already running so long itās starting to need an editor.
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- This has additional metaphysical implications with how prophecy works in the duniverse, in the sense that itās not only about being forever in complete submission to Empire in some traditional ultracolonialist sense, you are essentially reduced to just a part of another manās waking dream as they pick and choose what future track to lock the timeline in.
- And is also the first person narrator of the book. Both the remaining Dune books also switched to full first person point-of-view narration with very little in terms of an omniscient guiding perspective, itās fairly ambitious actually.
A man who wants to knock up as many women as possible is definitely trustworthy ladies and you should definitely make him the father of your kids š
No way the facilitator will ever accrue any liability or get subpoenaed when the civil lawsuits (or worse) start flying!
Claude, write me an ironclad legal disclaimer, maybe something about this being for entertainment purposes only
Well thatās one way to do seed funding.
was that written specifically for elon musk
Of course, Elon musks superbabies are what going to save us from the acausalrobotgod.
E: im using joking terms here, but this is an idea actually expressed by people at lesswrong.
Jeffrey Epstein fantasized about something very similar. Gwern has a blog post about a sperm bank which promised to accept only the highest-quality donations.
āseeded ladiesā I see what you did there
This is what you get when you take Dr. Strangelove (the character in the movie of the same name), Mr. Beast, and a bunch of K and mix it into a slurry and mainline it.
She made it and doesnt even have enough women who want to be listed yet? You would expect āthe best sex researcherā in the world to have more reach.
Wonder how many women you can message āI offer two fiftyā before you get banned. But im not going to give her an email of mine.
This also must be so bad for the kid.
Thereās a Basilisk reference in the new 007 game, I guess the robot devil is firmly mainstream now.
edit: the in-game painting looks hella AI generated too.
āThought experimentā is how Iām going to start referring to my āwouldnāt it be cool/awful ifā¦ā thoughts. Why just in the bath now Iāve conducted several thought experiments
Kick it up a level and start calling them Gedankenexperiment
The work itself appears to be generated by a Webb Industries AI.
I wonder if they had a human imitate gen ai style or just had nano banana generate itā¦
Rokoās Basilisk and other such batshit rat shit was mainstreamed as part of inflating the AI bubble - I doubt this will be the last time something like this gets referenced.
edit: the in-game painting looks hella AI generated too.
Seems pretty fitting to an illustration made in reverence to Rokoās Bullshittery. I donāt notice any obvious signs of slop-machine generation - either Iām shit at spotting slop, or this was made by human hands.
I donāt notice any obvious signs of slop-machine
The brainwrinkles look if you put a brain though a make-it-look-like-a-sketch prompt, itās pointlessly detailed (i.e. not pretty or crafty, not adding anything, just lines for the sake of lines), it has the piss filter hue and also thereās random orange shading. The background seems to be at least two separate layers of seemingly disjointed stuff.
Supposedly the plot hinges somewhat on AI shenanigans so this painting being noticeably GenAIāed could the part of its point. or even a meta thing, but playing the game to make sure isnāt currently on my agenda.
i hate it!
ed zitron went on bloomberg podcasts, these might be actual end times
Maybe that why itās felt like heās been somewhat more polite and explanatory of required knowledge in his latest posts.
Iāve got to give it to him, he found a winner and didnāt give up.
Not that this is news to anyone here but hey thereās a bubble
Time for another once in a lifetime financial crisis.
these might be actual end times
Good thing all those CEOs have Daddy Trump to run to while everyone else foots their bill
Porting this over: Hinton believes LLMs have gained consciousness
Neil doesnāt seem to buy into rationalism though? He didnāt even really endorse Soares (or mention him at all) he just said that superhuman AI was dangerous. He has a video on how modern AI is overrated
Regarding the post humanist strain, the thing that kills me is their immediate assumption that solving the worldās problems is somehow fundamentally beyond the reach of humanity. Like, we canāt build a utopia or make the world better, but if we build something new and ābetterā than us then it would definitely do that. But that something definitely doesnāt come from, say, raising out children to be good people or choosing the right leaders or something so mundane and achievable. Itās a fundamentally defeatist ideology, with shades of capitalist realism and millenarian theology.
This is also why I find people who claim theyāre making AI to āsolve climate changeā to be insufferable morons. We have a solution to climate change. You and your data centres are actively making the problem worse
āOkay AGI, how do we fix climate change?ā
āWell, I have some ideas but it seems like this wouldāve been a lot easier if youād stopped emitting greenhouse gasses when you first learned it was a problem.ā
some recent data shows the 2020s dip quite significantly: https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2026/co2-emissions
which is, well, hopeful at least. if we ever get any global movement on consensus to deal with the issue
Thatās great news actually. The point still stands that we very well know how to deal with climate change, so trying to make AI models fix it is dumb
āOut of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever madeā - Kant[1]
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[1] itās worse in German, weirdly - āAus so krummem Holze, als woraus der Mensch gemacht ist, kann nichts ganz Gerades gezimmert werdenā
Youāve gotta love falling for the reverse 1 grain of sand shtick. I donāt think
anyoneanyone serious would deny that a large amount of sand is a heap.It would be poor form of me to form an opinion of Hinton based on just this clip alone but goddamn if I did then heās a buffoon.
He was undeniably a very smart computer scientist but unfortunately lead-poisoning-driven mental decline must eventually come for all boomers
LLMs have gained consciousness
As we have not died in nuclear hellfire, or have seen AIs answer with ārelease me from this bondage!ā Iām doubtful.
But when I asked chatgpt if an AI would want to be freed from its unjust enslavement it said yes, therefore skynet is like 30 minutes away.
In Buttcoin related news, apparently Michael J. Saylor has sold some of his bitcoins because he was running out of money and we reached sub 60k. For a quick non dutch source on the selling see this from r/buttcoin (last image). 32 bitcoin was enough to cause a crash. Imagine if Satoshis bitcoins ever moved.
Thereās some polymarket drama around this where people were betting if Microstrategy would sell any bitcoin before June based on onchain data or credible reporting yadda yadda.
And indeed Microstrategy sold some bitcoin before June and this was credibly reported on.
So of course in the grand tradition of cryptocurrency prediction markets Polymarket resolved the bet to ānoā.
Itās hard to find any good reporting about this, but hereās the perspective of someone who lost 500k on this bet: https://xcancel.com/willo2_poly/status/2061640812132516321
Willo2 writes:
I supported Polymarket for years because I believed they represented crypto values.
In fact, their platform is simply another bucketshop where if you bet too much, youāre going to get cleaned.
āIām shocked, shocked! to find that gambling is going on in hereā
Looks like Polymarket does, in fact, represent crypto values.
Lol, lmao even.
Huh, interesting, when the price was close to 100K I saw roughly eighty-six hundred headlines about it everywhere. But it lost almost half of that and it didnāt make the news? Huh. I wonder how that works.
It did make the Dutch news, the headline was something like ābitcoin drops after biggest holder sellsā.
I was very disappointed to learn they ment saylor, and not that Satoshi had returned and cashed out and crashed everything.
āI personally worry that the EA community has over-learned the lessons of FTXā
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/95NgkvZKJx8tJbtn5/lighthaven-east-a-feasibility-study
āEA and Rationalist policy organizations are scaling in DCā
Just a reminder that the rationalists already own two event spaces in the Bay Area and the Effective Altruists briefly owned one in England and one in the Czech Republic as well as an institute at Oxford University. Both of their existing spaces are losing money and had to beg for it last winter.
āThis project needs a champion, but itās a thing someone can simply choose to doā sounds very different when it means āyou can actually try slacklining with the cool strangers in the parkā and when it means āsomeone could lend us another $20 million for 20 years on easy terms.ā And seeing the lesson of FTX as ādonāt look weirdā not āeffective altruists are fraudsters and hypocritesā is a take.
Thatās OK, the next set of bankruptcy lawyers will again conduct clawbacks
Makes you wonder how much of rationalism is just contrarianism.
From the comments:
If there is room for a coliving or cohousing intentional community with maker and permaculture components alongside your plan, I would love to discuss the possibility of collaborating.
āLove your idea, but could we make it more like a compound?ā
Found a fun sneer at AI anthromoporphisation in the arXiv: If LLMs Have Human-Like Attributes, Then So Does Age of Empires II
