Department of Public Works employee Eric Batman claims that having to see a Progress Pride flag flying outside the department’s Alhambra, California, headquarters during the month of June effectively forces him to “celebrate, recognize, and solemnize conduct and actions that he views as sin” in conflict with his sincerely held Christian religious beliefs, according to a lawsuit filed in March by anti-LGBTQ+ evangelical nonprofit the Liberty Counsel.
Would be fun to see this lawsuit succeeding.
The Satanic Temple would have a field day suing everything christian by this precedent.
A satanist could even argue it causes them physical harm to be subjected to “holy” imagery against their will, if the scriptures are to be believed.
I see confederate flags round here all the time and I don’t feel forced to celebrate the confederacy… idiot.
It’s important to see both sides of any argument. The winning side, and the losing side.
Well … you don’t see Nazi flags in Germany today but you can see them in USA. “Freedom to be idiot” is a great thing.
I also think the Progress Pride Flag represents conduct and actions I view as sin. Not like, gender/sexual sin. Design sin.
The rainbow flag was already perfect. The rainbow flag to me says “human behavior exists on a spectrum, and everyone matters”. It’s beautiful, elegant. The stripes don’t represent distinct groups, though sinners (the flag redesigners, not LGBTQ+ people) have tried. The flag itself represents harmony in diversity. You can’t get better than that, no notes.
The Progress flag is meddling with a perfect formula. It takes a perfect symbol to celebrate diversity itself and plasters it with footnotes. By highlighting specific groups that were included by the rainbow in the first place, it just opens the door to more and more complex revisions to include more and more distinct groups. It turns a poignant symbol of broad inclusiveness into a weird patchwork of granular inclusiveness. That would seem like hyperbole if the pictured flag wasn’t already the intersex-inclusive revision.
It’s just sloppy vexillology. The rainbow flag is awesome. Why are we fucking with it?
That’s basically my problem with the term “LGBT(Q(IA(+)))” but as a basically straight white dude my input has very little weight. I think SAGA is cleaner (Sexuality And Gender Acceptance/Alliance), covers all the bases while being a pronounceable word with a poetic meaning. “Queer” works too but has too much baggage in some regions.
I never understood the arguments about adding extra letters to the acronym. The suggestion seemed always to be that if I said “I support the LGBT community” I was actively discriminating against everyone else who isn’t included in that acronym, which of course was never actually a thing. You either support people of different sexual arrangements to yourself, or you don’t. I don’t know anyone who “only supports the gays”.
I also think it’s hilarious that they themselves seem to realise that it’s become a bit of an acronym soup, that people are struggling to keep track of, which is why they’ve included the plus at the end. Surely they could have just done that from the start?
LGBT and other variants, yeah i agree but with one exception: LGB is often used explicitly to exclude trans people and postdates LGBT in use. It’s one thing to use it when there’s a reason to exclude straight trans people from a statement (eg LGB people may struggle early on because they don’t have a relationship script to follow in same gender relationships). But yeah, I use LGBT with the understanding that other queer identities exist and are to be included as warranted.
The + came pretty early, and the alphabet soup largely is pushed by specific groups who worry they’re underrepresented or underacknowledged. This began with asexuals who were kinda late to organizing with the rest of us and felt the need to really push for visibility. The Q was basically meant to be the same as the +. The I is related to the debate as to whether or not intersex people are inherently part of our community (my stance is that it’s not my place to tell any intersex person whether or not they are, though idk what my cousin would get out of it as a straight cis woman who’s chromosomally sterile). By the time QIA was in the mix some people just kept going and a lot of us pulled back.
It should also be noted that LGBT was an acknowledgement of the fact that each letter had developed a separate community and we’d been working together and we had an overarching community. Over the years since a lot of that has blended, but early on a lot of organization was separated into those 4 boxes, in a way that just isn’t as common anymore.
I like to just call it the Alphabet Mafia, considering how many places around the world that our existence is still illegal.
Also because it gives the finger to Google’s parent company’s trademark lol
I’m partial to GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minorities).
Hear hear. I refuse to use it for this exact reason. The rainbow flag is such a strong symbol!
I’m also really annoyed by it and I would love to use the old one, but around here trans exclusive LGB groups started using it… Soooo, kinda burned for me unfortunately.
Don’t want to tell you to not use it btw! Just be aware that it could mean something different for certain groups of people.
I’d explain it includes them too. If they can’t accept that it really isn’t my problem.
Oh that’s gotta piss Gilbert Baker off
Eisenmann was a sinner too.
To avoid confusion with the Cusco flag? I jest, of course. Cusco changed its flag in 2021 by adding a golden sun in the middle. Probably to differentiate it from the pride flag.
this guy does not deserve his last name
He’s the opposite of Batman
Manbat?
Oppressing people for money sounds a lot like Batman. I guess he’s not beating up the people he steals from yet.
It’s very simple. We’ll get rid of the pride flags as soon as they get rid of all the crosses. Fair is fair, after all.
The fucking crosses, man.
You think Jesus ever would want to see another cross again?
Dude wouldn’t be able to take Public Transit in Boston.
If Jesus came back he probably wouldn’t even use the letter “t”.
Imagine resurrecting into a world full of people wearing crosses with you nailed to them all just acting like it’s not fucked
The funny part is that they aren’t even historically accurate crosses. The cross was more like a capital T. The upright post was buried in the ground like a fence pole, with a square peg carved at the top. The actual cross part was just the crossbar, with a matching square hole carved in it. The crossbar was lifted up and set on top of that peg.
The square peg likely only stuck out an inch or two from the top of the T, and that was mostly just to make it more durable, as the peg wore down with use but burying the posts was a labor intensive process. They didn’t want to bury a new post for every single crucifixion, so they made the posts reusable and just swapped out the crossbars.
When Jesus carried his cross to Calvary, he was only carrying the top of the T. But over time, to distinguish it from the capital T, Christians started using the modern cross with the accentuated peg, and it eventually morphed into the modern cross that we all recognize today.
to distinguish it from the capital T
Huh, I would’ve assumed they were trying to distinguish it from Thor’s hammer.
Then you go to church and see them eat your flesh and blood.
Cannibal death cults man, they be fucked.
To be fair, that one he said to do
thats why theres the angels to clear everything out when the time comes.
Jesus talkking to Peter after the rapture: “Yeah, got all of them, except those antichristians who celebrate my death with crosses. No way I’m bring those sick weirdos up here.”
That brings a whole new dimension to the T, but you know what, after being subjected to the green line more than a few times it entirely makes sense.
Christians like this are SO addicted to seeing themselves as victims.
Well the alternative is that they would have to help the poor and generally be a good member of society and that’s too much like hard work so it’s much easier to claim that they are the victim.
“What kind of librul propaganda is helping the poor, I’m a good Christian!”
There is a certain strain of Christianity that must see itself as the underdog in a cosmic war of good and evil. Everything fits into that overarching narrative.
Can I sue for Christmas?
Santa died on the cross for your sins
Santa was beat to death at a Walmart Black Friday sale trying to grab a 38" flatscreen.
Fucking snowflakes
Sounds like he is very, VERY gay.
That has to be it, right?
If seeing a piece of cloth is so triggering, then maybe that’s an indicator of a much more deep-rooted problem.
The “Christian men” who protest gay rights the loudest are usually the ones who wind up in the headlines when they get caught soliciting male prostitutes at rest areas.
Fascist sues because he’s reminded daily that he could be a nice and caring person if he wanted to
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you… The United States of America
So can all his coworkers sue them because they have to look at this bigoted piece of shit every day?
Everyone has so many theories about this guy’s motivations. I think it’s just capitalism manifest. This guy sees a way to make a buck litigating. Welcome to America.
Religion has no more validity than any other work of fiction or any other fandom. There, I fucking said what we are all thinking.
Next up, someone suing because someone is displaying merch from a rivaling sports team
I’ve got an NCR flag in front of my house. It would actually be hilarious if some dude in Roman legion garb came to my house and demanded I take it down.
NCR?
New California Republic. It’s from the fallout games. As is their rivals, Caesars legion.
Ny Chemical Romance!
You do not fly Ravens gear in Cleveland. You’re likely to get shot.
We also don’t like Pittsburgh, but we at least respect their right to exist.
Has he considered reading the Bible and following the teachings of Jesus Christ? It might help him understand what Christianity is supposed to be about.
Do you really think they are reading their book?
Also which one? They’ll pick the one that most fits what they want.
If they are reading anything but the new testament then it is just a history lesson.
Which translation, which interpretation? It’s hard to say the New Testament is a single work with just one commonly understood message.
It might help him understand what Christianity is supposed to be about.
Don’t bother. Satan will claim his own soon enough. In the meantime, resist.
Most self-described Christians are Devil worshipers. If your religion preaches hate, you’re not worshiping God, you’re worshiping Satan.
But Jesus it too woke and gay for Reighwing Christians
