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The onion used to be satire
It’s literally this fucking meme every time.
People get told over and over to vote Democrat to prevent fascism, and when the fascists end up elected, the Democrats just fucking collaborate with them anyways. No wonder they’re scared of Mamdani.
USA is a single split personality party state
The illusion of choice is proudly sponsored by the New American Ruling Class.
One like they imagine themselves to be and one for how they really are
It’s amazing how many of you people tacitly suggest that the millions of immigrants at risk of being disappeared aren’t America. Because that is what you’re saying here — make no mistake.
Edit: I feel I should clarify — you are fucking wrong if you think those immigrants are not Americans. Like never speak in my presence again, wrong.
It’s giving Smeagol/Gollum
By now I think you should vote 3rd party. No, the dems aren’t as bad as the fascists, but they won’t save you from them either.
Absolutely. We need ranked choice voting to prevent spoiler effect. NYC used it well!
It’s Italian fascits vs. German fascists.
Nazi collaborators aren’t remembered fondly either.
My assumption was that the Republicans weren’t going to shift — a lot of the money they got for tax breaks for the wealthy came from pillaging Medicaid. They can’t really back out and do their tax policy. I also didn’t think that the Democrats were going to just block the budget until Trump leaves office.
So I think that if what you were hoping for was all the healthcare coming back, that probably wasn’t going to be in the cards. I commented on roughly that earlier, that what I expected was one of the Republicans using the nuclear option (change the Senate rules to permit passing the budget without a supermajority), or the Democrats ending the shutdown without at least a full change on Medicaid.
The Democrats don’t really have much by way of levers to pull, because the Republicans hold a trifecta. This is one of the few things that they can do, and it’s a pretty weak lever.
So it really came down to a political play based on what will win more public support for the midterms. Will people shift Republican or Democratic? The Republicans will try to get people upset at the Democrats, to shift Republican. The Democrats will try to get people to shift Democratic. If the Democrats gain control of the House in the midterms, then they gain a substantial amount of leverage.
Will they do anything with it in this hypothetical? They had the trifecta for a brief time didn’t they? And didn’t really do anything substantial with it….
this hypothetical
What, like, restore Medicaid funding? I mean, sure, I expect so. They were the ones who set up the funding in the first place.
Am I pissed?
Yes.
Are people going to get their SNAP so they can eat and will federal employees start getting paid again and will we avoid a catastrophic holiday travel season and can we shut the government down again in a few months if Republicans don’t honor their word, which they won’t?
Yes.
This only keeps the government open a while longer. If they fuck around again, they can find out again.
I’d like to think this is a strategy on the Dem’s part to show the country that the Republican party is willing to repeatedly shut down the government and hurt Americans instead of coming to the table and negotiating and that the Dems want to make sure people don’t starve. I doubt that’s it and it’s most likely just cowards within the party caving to corporate interests.
Primary them.
They can just pass a budget with a simple majority in January, the republicans have no reason to honor anything they agreed to. The democrats sold out their position.
They did this to head off a left reaction. That is all.
I doubt that’s it and it’s most likely just cowards within the party caving to corporate interests.
I also want to point out that no honorable person goes into politics (at least not the high levels where they could have high impact) because a lot of people like you always shit on them whatever they do anyways. There’s no recognition, there’s no thanks from the population, you’re always constantly fighting and attacked even by those that you are supposed to care about. Why would any sane person go through this?
I’m asking you to reflect on what you’re saying and whether it really helps us get better people into government.
Recognition and thanks for what, though?
Do you want me to congratulate them for not shitting themselves, too? I’ll congratulate and thank them when they start actually representing me, instead of capitulating without gaining a single thing at all.
yeah this time it’s actually a bad example since they did semi-fuck up. but i’ve been thinking that thought in general.
If a person is going into politics because they crave fame and recognition, they’re a shitty politician and we shouldn’t reward that kinda behavior. They certainly aren’t honorable.
The people who should go into politics are people with firm principles who have something they believe in, and are willing to potentially take flack in order to achieve those goals. Unfortunately, that mostly describes the Republican party, and their principles suck, but it also describes Zohran Mamdani who should be the new model of Dem.
did the dems cave already?
They had a meeting on Thursday to discuss caving, not even two full days after landslide victories all over your country.
Weak sauce politicians need to be replaced with progressives that are unbought and unchained from towing the status quo line.
I’m Canadian… but have to keep an eye on the dumpster fire the neighbours keep trying to put out with kerosene
As am I, that’s why I say “your country” because I am honest about not having a dog in this fight no matter how much it affects our country.
The problem with dumpster fires is that some idiots on our side of the border think they can get ahead if they light our dumpsters on fire too.
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OOTL & non-American
What’s going on?
The Republicans are trying to take away health insurance from ~42 million lower income Americans by making it cost many, many times the amount it does now.
Trump has been bullshitting us about his big new plan to replace Obamacare for 9 or more years now, but he’s obviously never even thought about it. So he’s just killing it, and fucking over Americans who need it.
The democrats refused to accept this, and this led to a government shutdown when the Republicans became obstinant and refused to bargain. That shutdown is going to end now because the democrats just caved. They received nothing, and those 42 million Americans are now fucked.
Enough Democrats caved that they’re ending the shutdown and people are still going to lose healthcare meaning it was entirely for nothing.
once again making it very clear that the suffering is the point
For the Democrats.
Fuck Chuck Schumer
I wish I lived in an area to vote for Chuck Schumer so that I could vote for someone else.
The orphans that were not crushed while the orphan crushing machine was unplugged, will they be spared, or just be placed back on the conveyor belt?
Not to worry. An extra orphan crushing machine can be provisioned now to deal with the backlog.
Back on the belt, of course.
He is the Senate Minority Leader - the head of the opposition. Which opposition essentially rolled over and approved many of Trump’s appointments.
Right now, it looks like they might cave and pass legislation to re-open the government, handing more tax breaks to the wealthy and screwing over the 99%.
Have you guys considered rebellion yet?
Things will have to be a lot worse before people sign up to go die in a war.
Everyone online is so brave when telling others to go die
Worse than starving??!
The vast majority of the population is not starving.
SNAP/EBT not receiving funding is certainly terrible, but this only directly impacts 12% of Americans. That is not an insignificant number. However, out of that 12%, 40% are children and 20% are elderly. So only 5% of Americans receiving benefits are not old or children. Doesn’t seem like enough people to start a revolution.
I think these numbers do outline how horrific it is, considering food is mostly being taken from the elderly and children. But I think you can quickly see why these people are not rushing off to start a war.
Additionally it’s been 10 days and food banks have been able to give out substantial aid. Only a subsection of those people would have ended up missing meals, and some states even funded the program through their own emergency reserves further reducing the number of impacted individuals.
My point is let’s not act like it’s the lead up to the French revolution and children and dying in the streets of starvation.
I don’t want to lessen the impacts this has had to many Americans. It has unduly caused suffering. But is it enough suffering for people to risk their lives and take up arms against the government? Is 12% of the population not receiving food aid a reason to start what would be a bloody civil war? That’s up for each person to decide when they are willing to die to uphold their moral convictions.
Would you be rushing to start a war? Would you go to die for this? It’s easy to tell others to do so, but when the time comes its not so easy
We can’t do that, that’s against the rules!
OK, how about tarring and feathering Chuck Schumer?
Flips furiously through rulebook Uh, uhhh, ummm, uhhh, well it’s not against the rules per se but it would make the imaginary Bailey family sad so that’s that :(
a popular American pastime that could be resurrected
The American public at large who has problems with fascists has been brainwashed into thinking violence is not the answer for decades. The only people in the US who hate fascists and think violence SHOULD be used against them are a very small minority, who ALSO do not want to start shooting first because winning the narrative is just as important as the rebellious act itself. Basically, until the current administration does villainy on the level of the Wounded Knee Massacre, no one will shoot at them. Until that happens, most people are rebelling in ways that are mostly disruptive. Don’t get me wrong tho, that IS still a valid form of rebellion.
Violence is not the answer in a democracy. Unless, you know, fascists capture the state.
When fascists capture the state it isn’t a democracy anymore so the first sentence still stands.
I’m very exited to see Freedom house’s next country report of the US.
Now where have I seen this before…? Hmmm…
An effective form in fact!
You’re forgetting that the only reason those were successful was because of the threat of violent resistance behind it.
I’m so fucking sick of this. I can’t say anything more because it would be unwise for a variety of reasons.
And the only thing they’re getting is reinstatement of illegally fired employees and a vote on healthcare.
Sure maybe it’ll be bad for some Republicans to vote against healthcare, but that doesn’t mean anything to those that rely on it.
Thankfully this is only partial funding. Some parts of the government will get full funding and others will be on another CR through January.
If Republicans vote no on healthcare then by the time tge funding on CR expires Americans will be paying higher healthcare prices. Giving them more leverage to force a yes vote with the second round of budget talks.
I get what they are trying to do, but caving now with no real solutions makes them look weak to the public and definently erodes their power
Not even a vote on healthcare, but a promise of a vote on healthcare.
A healthcare bill that will probably give even more tax cuts to billionaires, de-fund climate change, and require ICE to beat orphans and women.
Line them up against a wall and make the process slow.
