As a vegetarian who mostly eats vegan, why is it that I find PETA so annoying?
Without looking into it further, I’m gonna guess the same reason I find a lot of people I agree with on a number of issues so insufferable: holier-than-thou, self-congratulatory, moral crusading.
Just existing and being willing to answer people’s questions genuinely is way more effective. I literally never bring it up, people only find out by happenstance and often ask about it themselves. If they don’t, it’s not that interesting (in my opinion).
Anecdotally, anyway.
I mean, people who you believe to be morally right can still be irritating idiots. I’m not a vegan, but I get it. I have friends who are, I don’t say no to a vegan meal (unless there’s corn in it because that gives me an unpleasant time on the toilet). I do think PETA is fighting for something they believe in, and I think that’s admirable. I also think they’re annoying.
Their tactics can be annoying and ridiculous, but I think that any honest assessment of why people generally find them annoying would admit that it’s people being reactionary. The whole “How do you know someone’s a vegan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you” is almost the exact opposite in reality: people can’t shut up about NOT being vegan.
There’s truth in that for sure. I see it as a human thing, not a vegan/non-vegan one. We just love to be correct.
As a vegetarian who mostly eats vegan, why is it that I find PETA so annoying?
Because they are terrorists.
They fund other terrorists
They kidnap and kill animals from loving homes.
they “adopt” animals and immediately euthanize them.
Often dumping the bodies from both into random dumpsters, when their enormous corpse freezer is full.
They love putting naked women on display in cages and various other clearly fetishistic scenes.
They are a group of extremists who do nothing but harm animal rights by their sheer existence and association with the subject.
They also just murder shelter animals and do negative PR
Genuinely shocked that no one drew a picture of a turkey with legs spread saying “I want to be eaten, Daddy” in reply to this.
Fun fact : The wolf either references Turkish fascism or ancient furry porn OR the other, less popular ancient furry porn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_creation_mythThat’s a grey wolf, that’s definitely a fascist whistle whilst also now being a government-friendly sign of patriotism
Also an old folk-tales character… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_wolf_(mythology)
My neighbor tried to raise some turkeys for Christmas. Those were bred to grow really quickly but his timing was off. They have to be slaughtered within a small window before they get too fat and their hearts give out. He had to do an early Christmas.
That’s a pretty miserable existence for turkeys
It’s pretty common for animals in the meat industry. A broiler chicken goes from hatching to supermarket in 6 weeks. That’s what’s being called efficiency these days.
I worked at a broiler farm one summer. 35 days is the time from when they arrive to when they leave to get slaughtered.
A lot of people live this way too. They just keep working and getting fatter until they die of a heart attack at 60
Lmfao fair point
You’re supposed to change their feed when they get to the desired size.
Don’t know about the small window thing. We had turkeys for a while, but to be fair it was more about domestic animals than food source. Those things would get huge. I remember once some friends were coming to visit at night and seeing them on the roof got scared and ran off.
Seeing a turkey on someone’s roof might scare me off, too. Turkeys can be bastards.
Mmm… Turkish delight… 🤤
Timmy, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?
I want to be eaten. Nobody’s doing anything about that.
My girlfriend is sometimes a turkey and she loves to be eaten. She asks to be eaten. Sometimes, when she’s really in need, she begs for me you eat her. I have no idea what the original post was talking about
How is she sometimes a turkey? She a furry?
It just means that she’s sometimes silly.
Feathery?
Calling someone/something a Turkey is a colloquial insult.
the greeks are here
Asın lan bayrakları! ASIIIIN!!!
🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇬🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Törki nabır van ulan!
Hav kuld der bi ani bettır abi?
I’m sure there’s a turkey furry out there with a vore fetish.
If don’t want to be eaten, why delicious?
Yo! Grey wolves = fascist, don’t repost that shit
Wtf are you on about? They don’t get to decide what symbols belong to them. Ok 👌? 🐸 Fuck Nazi’s appropriating culture for themselves. Iirc the style of this comment indicates their membership in THE PACK AAYROOOO
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Feels like the gray wolf isn’t defined enough as a fascist symbol that there’s plenty of latitude for non-fascists to use it. Like if that account is known to use it that way it’s one thing, but otherwise it’s probably just a coincidence. The swastika is the most widely known symbol of hate these days but even now you can go see it on all kinds of temples in Asia, so if even that gets used in a non-nazi way these days surely the gray wolf isn’t only defined as a fascist symbol.
Gray Wolf in conjunction with Turkish flag and arms fire is pretty unique. Smells like Nazi.
You get sensitized if it’s in the news regularly. I would expect it to be less well known oversees.
Here Grey wolf are regularly attacking in the street, sometime with knife, and some murder of exiled people opposed to Erdogan seems to be related to this guys. Just fascists
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Grey wolves are considered as a historic symbol by Turks, similar to how a bald eagle is treated by americans or dragons to Chinese people. You can also see ultra-nationalist people of these countries use these symbols a lot, but it doesn’t change the meaning of these symbols to the majority of the country’s population.
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O durum senin cahilliğin git biraz tarihini oku
Everything I don’t like is fascism
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I don’t remember what the name of the logical fallacy where you conflate a small problem with a big one, but that’s what you’re doing. It’s a poor argument regardless of the context.
iirc it’s the slippery slope fallacy
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You‘re getting downvoted but I agree with you. The joke in the image is funny, but the presence of these grey wolve emojis suggests affiliation with the Grey Wolves which are fascist. No debating that, I don’t get the other comments here.
No they are not right. I can’t know the political views of someone in some shitpost, but the original grey wolf symbolim comes from Turkic mythology, which is today being co-opted by racist fucks. It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk’s Nazi salute doesn’t automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him).
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it’s ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk’s Nazi salute doesn’t automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him)
I agree with you there, but it’s hard to tell in a shitpost like this. So when in doubt rather avoid putting fascist ideology out there.
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it’s ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
The Nazis also didn’t invent the Swastika, it’s on a lot of temples in Asia. You don’t see me reclaiming it when I convert to Buddhism. Some symbols are just tainted. It sounds like giving in to far right trolls, but I’d rather spend my energy on worthwhile struggles.
Are not grey wolves a cultural symbol related to an old turkish tale? Does not look facist to me.
I’m not letting some obscure group of fucking Turks claim a goddamn emoji as their own and stop using it myself. Same with Pepe, a 🐸 emoji, or 👌. They already have the swastika and a bunch of others from the ACTUAL Nazis, let them use those instead.
In the Turkish diaspora they are used as a dog whistle for Turkish nationalist. Good dog whistle too. You don’t hear it.
Yes they are. It’s a bunch of armchair political experts confidently talking out of their buttholes.
There IS a racist political movement, which is often referred as Grey Wolves abroad who think they own the symbol, but leaving an ancient cultural story to a bunch of fucks is the stupidest thing ever. This is the same level of stupid as saying Pepe the Frog is a white supremacist symbol.
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Ah so this is about an organization named “grey wolves” known for their hostile worldviews, not the grey wolf from the historical tale about a she-wolf raising a human children? This could have been elaborated better.
It’s more like fascists trying to steal a symbol ngl.
Like highschoolers will have a phase where they use a wolf pfp online and talk about how they wished they were a horse archer for example.
Not necessarily politics. The party “gray wolves” on the other hand is fucking openly fascist.
Yes, that is the point. Oh, this isn’t about 40k?
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If they don’t want to be eaten all they have to do is say it.
They do, in their own way.
All mine said was “gobble gobble,” I’m getting mixed messages here.
If Turkeys dont want to be eaten, why are they made out of food?
A lot of plants don’t want to be eaten either. Tough shit, I am hungry.
Plants have feelings too
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding.
Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…What part of “Tough shit, I am hungry” made you think I care about the desires of the plant?
Plants communicate.
Those tears you shed when cutting onions is because of a defence mechanism of the onion, the scent you smell when cutting grass is another.
We also know that fungi and trees communicate with eachother as well. They even help eachother gain nutrients.
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you’re immobile like a plant, it doesn’t make sense to feel pain because you can’t run. You don’t need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that.
70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.It’s closer to 30%.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you’re getting that number? That’s being insanely generous. What we’re talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I’m sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven’t said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
More greenwashing
I’m surprised how much lemmy lets vegans get away with the greenwashing stuff
Is greenwashing a new term where you dont have to engage with vegans in conversation?
70% of global crops are fed to animals.
no, they’re not. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth?
What’s the real number?
humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
That doesn’t mean they’re sentient though, those are just chemical signals
to the extent that they don’t understand that they themselves might die, plants don’t want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
Not true at all, many animals share the same emotions as humans, who are animals themselves.
they may have emotions, but this doesn’t entail that they understand personal mortality.
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
I think you misread “mortality” as “morality”
Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive is proof animals understand mortality. Its the same impulses that keep humans alive as well.
They understand it the same way we do.
if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, i’d be happy to read it
I think you are making that up
Elephants mourn their dead family members. Is that a bad example?
Some do, actually. Most plants that taste good basically rely on being eaten as part of their reproductive cycle.
In particular cultivars. So do pigs.
Mostly berries sure but we eat a lot more plants than that.
Wanna guess how many plants are wasted to feed animals, only for humans to eat them?
fun fact: we kill between 1 and 3 TRILLION animals a year for food and textiles.
Wait, that’s not a fun fact!
That’s it? I was hoping to see at least 10 trillion animals killed this year… /s
we? I don’t. stop it.
Yeah, I used the royal we.
Not all animals are the same. Killing an endangered dolphin weighs much different to eating a mussel.
So you’d recommend only eating animals until they are endangered and then eating other animals until they are no longer? Is that what you want to express?
Or are you arguing that some animals are more sentient than others (e.g. mammals vs mussels), and we should switch to eating snails and mussels only, because of that?
Just saying their figure is completely irrelevant since not all are created equally.
We should probably substitute meat by eating more mollusks. They are rather eco friendly. And insects, probably.
A chicken is also much smaller than a cow.
A chicken is also much smaller than a cow.
Your penis is also much smaller than a cow, or a chicken. Should we all start eating your dick? Seems like size does matter indeed.
I didn’t say which one is better choice. Killing cows may be preferential as fewer beings have to exist and extinction is preferable. Or you use another metric. I don’t care. Just be consistent and sensible in your arguments.
Well you should probably stop eating fish then, because trawling absolutely does kill dolphins. Its called by-catch.
Do you understand what am example is? Most fishing trawlers don’t fish in the Amazonas river. So you are somewhat wrong.
Yeah I think you are right.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
To be completely fair, some plants actually produce fruits with the intent of them being eaten, because that’s their way of Zoochorie/Hemerochorie
Plants that humans wouldnt be able to digest efficiently anyway, unlesss you are talking about the more bourgeois meats
Like soy and corn, which famously can’t be digested by humans.
You do realise it’s waste product not suitable for human consumption
For example waste spy product from the production of your soy milk which also uses a ton of water and drives deforestation
The farms also kill farm pests with use of farming machines, pesticides and shotguns
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
people don’t want to eat field corn, but the soy that is given to livestock is mostly the waste product from pressing soybeans for oil
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Concerning the corn, we could just plant sweet corn instead, or any other plant really. Or what would prevent us from doing that?
Wanna know how many of those plants are waste product only and plants only suitable for animal consumption
Do you see a human eating hay
Cut the greenwashing crap
Is hay the only thing that can grow on that land? Could we grow food humans like instead?
You do need to think things through a bit more than that.
none. not really. if we are using it, it’s not wasted, and much of what we feed livestock is plants or parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Now it might be true that a lot of people don’t want to eat Tofu Tempe and Soy milk, but we could as well plant any other vegetable instead of Soy beans, and who could resist some delicious Brussel sprouts for example???
if we don’t plant soybeans, we won’t get soybean oil
Well, in that case we could just mix the soy protein in other foods, I guess.
But I’d also suspect that we wouldn’t need the quantities of soy oil, and we just use that because of the synergy with the livestock food.
we already feed people soy. but we make a lot more than people want to eat. feeding it to livestock is a conservation of resources
How is converting it to animal protein with a factor of at best 10:1 conservation of resources? Conservation of resources would be to produce less, and also produce less livestock.
Fuck plants! I’ll eat 'em all!
If I could photosynthesize and fix my own atmospheric nitrogen, I happily would.
Oh, yes. Grey wolves. Far-Right of Turkey…
Meh it’s more equivalent to something like cowboys in the west.
Like yeah far-right likes to use them for ads and pretend it’s their symbol but when Japanese spiderman show has a cowboy with skates it isn’t referencing “American far-right.”
The Grey Wolves officially known by the short name Idealist Hearths , is a Turkish far-right political movement and the youth wing of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Commonly described as ultranationalist, neo-fascist, Islamo-nationalist (sometimes secular), and racist, the Grey Wolves have been described by some scholars, journalists, and governments as a death squad and a terrorist organization. Its members deny its political nature and claim it to be a cultural and educational foundation, citing its full official name: Idealist Hearths Educational and Cultural Foundation.
Maybe many use the symbol and they don’t know what it represents, but i don’t take it as an excuse. Same goes with many other fascist symbols.
Gray Wolves are a historic symbol to Turkish people. No turkish citizen is giving that away to a bunch of hypocrite arab nationalists.
