Just a connection I realized recently. This kind of homophobia is THE REASON WHY people assume there was no gay/trans people in history. Because they’re afraid to say the obvious about history and don’t teach it.
obligatory “people on Lemmy don’t reflect the Idiocracy of where I live” (conservative Florida). I know nearly everyone here knows that trans people have always existed, but my God people here hardly know what a trans person is, much less the history of it. also it’s literally illegal to teach history that’s not heterosexual in school 🥀
Oh 100%. It’s the same thing with autism. “Back in my day we didn’t have no autists!” Yes, gramps, you did. Problem was that you tied them up and kept them in the boiler room because you didn’t understand them.
Like I had no idea Oscar Wilde was gay despite being aggressively a homosexual. Why? Because my teacher taught me growing up that Oscar Wilde just had many male friends. Also had no idea Alan Turing was gay. No idea that Patrocles and Achilles were gay. No idea that Alexander the Great was a flaming homosexual. That man had to be literally dragged away from the body of someone he grieved over for days and buried as a God but “they were just good friends.”
once when I was being an (at the time) unmedicated AuDHD 5 year old, my autistic mom tried to tell me there was “no autism in my day”. She got upset when I didn’t believe her.
it’s worth pointing that my grandpa (moms side) was really autistic in hindsight. He never got higher than a D in highschool, took apart my grandma’s hairdryer the first day they got married to “figure out how it worked”, and was so obsessed with fishing that his trophies took up too much space and had to be moved to the garage.
I’m convinced that my great grandfather was autistic. My great grandfather could recite the inner mechanisms of a V1 and V2 guidence system 70 years after last laying eyes on them, he could also remember how to disassemble a Stuka air break similarly well. There was also the fact that whenever my great grandmother got a new appliance he HAD to disassemble it and reassemble it.
Just as a quick note he was not German, he was American-Scots he was in US Naval R&D during the war.
It’s amazing. When I got my diagnosis it was like… I was about to say like a bell had been rung. But it was more like I was finally aware that the humming noise around me was because a bell had been rung? I dunno how everyone else doesn’t get that realization about the past too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum
Their official titles were “Overseers of the Manicurists of the Palace of the King”.
You can’t make this shit up!
it’s a bit weird to use Velma for this line
Its hilarious how commonly homophobic Jews will use that to justify homophobia, “oh they were just wholesome friends, gay people dont need to act on their temptations”.
Wait, so they think it’s cool to be a celibate gay couple? Was the kissing, jerking, sucking and fucking the whole problem this whole time? Holding hands is the red line?
No, like most things in Judaism they wont change the words but theyll change the meaning through interpretation. Now suddenly its not gay because hes holy and therefore cannot be gay.
That’s just the soul bond of two bros being dudes.
But cultural differences do exist too. When I visited Mumbai, I fairly frequently saw pairs of adult men walking around holding hands. It looked really gay to my American eyes, gayer than anything that my gay friends do in public. However, apparently in India it is normal for heterosexual men to hold each other’s hands.
There’s stuff considered “gay” that differ between western countries, too, or between generations.
There’s a famous clip of Kobe slapping Steph Curry’s ass as a “nice shot” kind of gesture… That wouldn’t fly in Brazil where I live. Older guys famously walked around naked in locker rooms, too, and as far as I can tell that is mega weird nowadays.
Can’t forget naked sauna with the boys in northern Europe tooThere is a Saudi tribe that celebrate a flower festival with men wearing chained flowers over their heads.
High heel shoes originated in India as worn by horsemen to hold themselves during horse rides. The shoes then became fashionable amongst European nobility including men. Eventually, high heels became almost exclusively a feminine fashion for some reason.
A lot of gender stereotypes are really social constructs. As a multicultural man, if I am asked what does it mean to be a man, I don’t really have an answer. If one travels the globe with an open mind, they will find that a lot of their preconceptions growing up will be challenged.
Is there any particular reason why they do that?
It’s only weird Puritans and places colonized by Puritans that are anti-human about touching and intimacy. Remember where the Kama Sutra is from, for example.
Maybe not losing their friend in the crowd every two minutes? That’s my guess since they said Mumbai
It’s common in a number of different countries, not just India. Typically in the Middle East region.
I believe the logic would be something in between an extended handshake and the Western reasoning for holding hands. Like, “I am giving my attention this person”.
I wish I knew. The other thing that stuck out to me was that no one wore shorts. I did at first just because it was hot but I stopped after I noticed that I was the only man not wearing long pants
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Yes. Because holding hands is equivalent to having a tomb built for you and the person you shared a literal bed with while having no relationships with anyone else.
Cultural differences do indeed exist but something’s are universal. Like being gay and living together but not making a big deal about it and announcing it because if we did we’d be crucified by heterosexuals
cultural differences do exist
And a great many cultures didn’t give a shit about homosexuals. The meme is about our modern culture’s misinterpretation of older cultures. And speaking of history and culture, if you think you’re being persecuted now, oh boy, you should have been gay in 80s. We’ve come a long way in a few short decades.
When I was younger and read these articles. I was so stupid. Like, the articles were like, “she was pretending to be a man all this time!” I was like, “omg, she must have tricked that poor woman in a relationship all that time, how sad” in my defense these articles danced around the fact that they likely had to hide this due to prejudice or whatever.
I’ve been reading True Sex: The Lives of Trans Men at the Turn of the 20th Century. The pattern seems to be that the “tricked the woman into a relationship” thing would come up after the guy had been outed by police or something - throwing your husband under the bus to not be tarred by the association with queerness. Or a couple of cases where a jilted lover got revenge by revealing the “secret.”
They seemed to have lived beside the sea in a colorful hut decorated with an assortment of shells hoisted on spools of long rotten string. Many of these shells were not native to the area, with their foreign number totaling approximately twice the number of years that the hut stood. The center of their home held a small cooking pot coated with the remnants of floral oils and native psychedelics.
Their art and writings were discovered further inland beneath the stump of a contemporaneously planted tree, preserved within a wooden box encased in tar. The box itself held a visual record of their time together, the intricate tapestry etched into its every surface appeared to have been carved over many years, with its detail increasing until the most recent set, which appeared markedly cruder, depicting a single figure in mourning attire.
Due to their decorations and their poetry’s frequent mentions of eating each other’s “steaming hot clam”, we believe they chose to live with one another beside the sea to satisfy their mutual love of shellfish.
Yeah. They were hideous old hags who were shunned by society. And since being alone in most areas in the times of antiquity was certain death they banded together.
Well, they had a tomb built for them so gonna go ahead and nullify that theory.
People are just gay dude, lol
I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm that flew by you.
Eh, bit of column A and B. Sometimes people are just gay. But sometimes my joke is true as well. And then there are people who are ideologically entrenched on either side who shout down the other side. When in reality people are just people. Some people are gay and others are not. Some of those people were famous or important and the vast majority of them weren’t. And trying to stand on a mountain of corpses to prove either modern sensibility point is…just dumb.
Personally, people just need to learn to mind their own fucking business and stop trying to control what other people do, say, and feel. If it makes someone feel good and happy to love someone of the same sex, go for it.
Or as my granny used to say, paraphrased for modern times, “if you can’t say anything nice, then shut the ever-loving fuck up.”
I’m not sure what that has to do with my point other than reinforcing it. Gay people are exactly that: people. Some were famous/important to history. A vast majority of them weren’t. Same with straight people. And standing on the graves of what came before as a way of proving/disproving something in the modern era is dumb.
Yes. I was strongly agreeing with you.
Ah. Well, I’m being critiqued by others. I figured you were dogpiling. I do apologize.
Yeah. I don’t think someone’s sexuality factors into what makes them important. Dr. Alexander Fleming is important because of his discovery, not because of what he got up to in the bedroom.
They found some kind of hip harness with a phallic looking tail attached so I think they were simply ancient cosplayers and this is one big confusion. Gay people only started turning up when big pharma made us inject nanobots disguised as “covid vaselines” or whatever, I unno, I’m not a diseasologist but I’ve learned a lot from facebook.
wait, is the ancient strap-on a real thing?
Knowing ancient Greeks and humanity in general, I wouldn’t be too suprised if that is true.
Yes, strap-on tails were common back then. Funnily enough, the original ones were developed by hunters to help them blend in with other animals. As time went on they were adopted by women as a symbol of counter-culture like “women can also hunt” kinda thing. They would often bejewel them as a sign of wealth.
It’s the same thing when they find phallic objects and call them “ritual objects” or “for sexual rituals”. Is it that difficult to perhaps assume they were likely used to get off ?
Personally, I think those are a kind of “kinkwashing” that goes on in museums. It might upset conservative donors if you straight up labeled objects as “Masturbation aid, 100 BCE” or “Sex toy, possibly used for pegging, 800 CE”.
There’s also a level of “there isn’t actually a written record of the obvious use for this so we can’t responsibly call it a dildo” and ritual being an incredibly vague descriptor. It might be an overcorrection to the long history of wildly inaccurate fetishization of “exotic” cultures in anthropology.
Have you seen how much cottages go for? It makes sense that it would take two people to afford a one bedroom cottage. And since there’s only one bedroom then there’s no need for a second bed.
same thing happened with Abraham Lincoln
Abra was a lesbian?
No, Abra was a Lesbian.
Certainly not a “gold star” one.
What makes you think Abra was a man
yes.
I’ve been hearing some very serious accusations.
Of course there is!!!
And also a homosexual one as well 😉
