What would be some good search terms for classes that would teach nutrition bonus points if you have a particular course in mind. Thanks!
One of my past flatmates literally self-diagnosed himself with diabetes out of nowhere and started extreme dieting - made all sugar and high-carb foods haram and even started mixing his own flour to make it “multigrain”. Since we were sharing kitchen expenses all of our meals then started involving coarse bread and either chicken or tofu at all times. Made me constipated for a while.
I think all he really wanted was an excuse for that diet and it does seem to have worked well in him; shame it didn’t do so on me and just made me eat outside more instead.
100%. For example right now the meat and dairy lobby groups are pushing hard for everyone to eat for more protein than they need. Now, I have people who can’t tell the difference between a cytokine and a histone without using Google, even if it slapped them round the face, telling me they need 100g plus a day in Brotien. Its just a coincidence that this so called health advice makes those groups a lot more money.
alot of people buy into the “flouride-free” gluten free, and inflammation, lysine diet apparently.
My body is an engine that turns food into lifting a hundred pounds of machinery. I dead lifted a generator about a week ago, yet it was the tree I felled a month ago that fucked up my shoulder.
did you figure out which underworked muscle group you have to work out next because of that
also this jam might suit you. https://youtu.be/Ux0iKbz_-yo
Yeah not my thing more of a listen to Tyr and Hulkoff while doing yardwork type of guy. As for why my arm got messed up, it was my offhand and I used it to push a ten year old orange tree the exact opposite way it was falling, because I didn’t want to risk the chainsaw sputtering and jumping into me.
When I read “nutritional hexes” I assumed this would be honeycomb related.
my boss does a “cleanse” once a month. IDK what she takes but she also believes ivermectin cures cancer, sooooo…
Its no coincidence that she is one of the sickest “healthy” people ive met. She has no health conditions or chronic illnesses. Shes in good physical shape and doesn’t smoke or drink. Exercises most days, etc. Yet, she “cant get out of bed” or has some mystery stomach flu or something like that about once a month. Funny how that seems to line up just after her cleanses. I suggested once that she was making it worse with the cleanses but she just doubled down.
Willfully ignorant and proud.as soon as you hear (X) cures cancer you know shes deep into pseudoscience, its one of the “gateway” into pseudoscience. those cleanses are likely messing up her gut microbiome causing “diarrhea, GI problems”. when i took antibiotics once he caused watery runs, and it never was the same.
i wonder if shes getting antibiotics from a shady ass doctor, i know if you take too much you will have chronic GI problems. there something called chronic lyme, where its usually midwestern woman believes its chronic so they go to a MD that is “specialized in Lyme” to be prescribed on antbiotics for months on end, and to convince themselves they have it, they take another shady test for lyme.
Firehouse in the USA: “right leaning straight white guys that watch FOX news” is over represented. We work 24 hour shifts and thus cook two meals a day at the station. Inevitably that means I get to experience whatever dumb-ass dietary advice the manosphere/RFK Jr. is pushing: keto, carnivore, MORE PROTEIN, etc.
They get hilariously defensive when I tell them “I don’t do fad diets”.
…I don’t think I’ve ever met a man in real life that ate a fad diet. They eat hamburger helper and take out.
Clearly you need to spend more time around Joe Rogan watching dude-bros. There’s also several of them on supplemental testosterone: “The doctor will tell you that your level is normal but they’ve been secretly lowering the ‘normal level’ over the past several decades. If you want I can give you my doctor’s information.”
My theory is reincarnation is real and I was a horrible person in my previous life.
Testosterone administration is more illegal pharmaceutical use then it is a fad diet. It’s also not particularly dangerous. The safety profile is similar to hormonal birth control.
Oh how I hate the whole idea of detox and clean as it relates to nutrition. I worked at a health food store when I was young and while there was good nutritious food there, plenty of good people, the whole idea of ‘clean’ comes from a very dark place. I remember the raw foods guys and the idea of breathetarians. Like the less physical and embodied you were, the better person you were, enlightened. The idea of the physical world being unclean and something you should try to be free of, I hate it.
It really is more of a religious idea than anything to do with physical health. I think you have to enjoy being embodied, love the physical plane of existence, to have a healthy body. Not perfect.
ETA: OMG another comment reminded me. Also the colonics people trying to get literally clean inside, horrified at the stuff that came out of them, convinced it was toxic. I’m sure they are all dead by now.
+1
I read a thing recently that argued that “purity” is one of the most distinctive thematic motifs in fascistic thinking, and examined how that is a means by which people can slide into right wing ideologies from an initially left wing position.
It was striking because it made it clock for me why there seems to be a “crunchy eco-leftist turns right wing” pipeline. To attempt to summarise some of the article and my own thoughts following it: A purity oriented framework of health situates “toxins” and the like as the Big Bad Other. Many of us are aware of how dangerous the notion of a Big Bad Other is if we’re thinking about people, but it can creep up with us in contexts like this because it doesn’t seem harmful initially. However, by thinking about health in this way, we train ourselves to think in terms of the Big Bad Other, and condition ourselves towards thinking about things in a black and white manner.
I worked at a vitamin store chain owned by the parents of a college friend of mine (who is now worth $34 million lol - that chain has turned into a miniature Whole Foods) for a few months. I remember one customer came in because she was going through a divorce, and the cashier said “oh, you need St. John’s Wort for that”. Nobody there thought this was unusual in any way.
Also knew a guy in college who claimed to be a Breathitarian. We caught him at the Ponderosa steak house in the next town over one night.
I remember one customer came in because she was going through a divorce, and the cashier said “oh, you need St. John’s Wort for that”.
Capitalist witch woman gives antidepressants
I’m a personal trainer with certifications in fitness nutrition (I’m not a dietitian, those are actual licensed medical practitioners you go to see about dietary needs. I can legally provide guidelines, but I can’t prescribe meal plans.)
Our body is great at getting rid of toxins and waste products. It’s almost as if we’ve evolved ways of dealing with such things. Anyone talking about “toxins” and “waste products” as if they’re ‘stuck’ in your body is either very ignorant, or trying to sell you snake oil. Probably both. I’ve seen a lot of it, especially in my profession. People making up bullshit to sound knowledgeable and sell you something you don’t need. And yeah, a lot of trainers are just as ignorant and just trying to sell you something you don’t need.
EDIT: In case anyone wants to sink their teeth into the topic, there’s a very good book I read as part of my course work, called “Nutrition, 6th Edition” by Dr. Paul Insel; Don Ross; Kimberley McMahon; Melissa Bernstein. It’s all very well sourced and kept up to date as modern science catches up. Available on AA if you don’t want to buy it.
Wouldn’t the only really possible “cleanse” be something like water fasting or similar since you wouldn’t be taking in more of the so-called “toxins” (well I guess it does technically exist like alcohol but that gets metabolized)?
Unless, those are microplastics, which are probably something that will always be there for us.
They’ve detected microplastics in breast milk. You know what that means? It’s time to start living up to our name as mammals.
We hormonally induce lactation for everyone. All the time. Just leech out those microplastics. Nips into 3d printers.
Plan B is blood letting. I don’t have the source but they have measured a decrease in PFAS blood levels for people who donate blood.
Sadly, the energy cost of making all that milk would require us to eat more, taking in more plastics.
I walked into my break room at work a couple of years ago and overheard some of my female coworkers complaining about the formula shortage. I asked if they’d ever thought about breastfeeding and they looked at me like I’d just grown a second head. I get that some women here and there might need a supplement for this, but the idea that feeding babies canned formula should be the norm is completely insane.
That’s as dumb as them suggesting you take on a second job to cover the heightened cost of the formula, but the second job has to be donating blood, plasma, and bone marrow. The physical toll to make up that much extra nutrition, the (sometimes permanent) leaching of elements of your own body, the quantity of time to pump and properly clean and store and the cost of products, the emotional toll of sacrificing what used to be a fun part of your body to what for many is quite painful…
Sure boobs are made to make milk, but eyes are made to see. How many people do you know who wear glasses? It’s more complicated than just why not breast milk?
If women should be expected to breastfeed for 2 years, then society should be built that they can take two years off to do so. A year of breastfeeding equates to a conservative estimate of 1,800 hours, which is not far off from a full-time job that totals about 1,960 hours annually.
Breast feeding is a huge amount of work, asking a person to do that and have a job is a big deal. Pumping breastmilk is incompatible with lots of jobs. If they have already stopped breastfeeding they may not be able to restart.
It would be great to live in a society where breastfeeding was normal and easy. Society is crazy and women shouldn’t be criticised for trying to exist within it.
We’re school bus drivers lol. We work four hours a day.
Hey son, just don’t eat for 4 hours…
It’s not that simple, like at all. There are loads of other things to take into account too.
That is not what I wanted those used for.
I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?
The hucow revolution awaits!
Potential downside: For a while the world is gonna smell like curdled milk.
When life hands you curdled milk it’s time to make cheese
Microplaatic cheese
Yeah, valerian root ain’t getting rid of your microplastics buildup.
Yeah the dude is really wrong.
Your body is good at filtering out hydrophilic toxins. But for just about every other toxin… Not so much. Most hydrophobic toxins and other toxins, like heavy metals, VOCs, pesticides, micro plastics, etc., are man made and your body hasn’t had millions of years to evolve natural filters.
But what “cleanse” does anything for those? The MAHA Moms and podcast bros aren’t talking up chelation therapy.
I think the point still stands that anyone selling you a way to rid your body of “toxins” is a charlatan.
I’m an environmental engineer and environmental scientist and I specialize in industrial hazmat waste issues, but I recognize even I’m a bit out of my professional lane on this.
But if you were to identify specific “toxins” that you are interested in “cleansing” there are often methods to do that. But first, I would recommend talking to a health professional. And those cleanses are going to vary significantly based on the toxin of interest.
But your best general “cleanse” is to eat more green leafy vegetables and exercise regularly. And feel free to drink a 4oz glass of milk a couple times a week.
I think we’re talking past each other here.
The original post is talking about people with “a systemized non-scientific theory of anatomy and nutrition.”
The comment that we’re responding to says,
Anyone talking about “toxins” and “waste products” as if they’re ‘stuck’ in your body is either very ignorant, or trying to sell you snake oil. Probably both."
The people who blog about “toxins,” as a generalized word without a specific meaning that could reasonably be replaced with “evil ghosts” in a sentence, are not interested in listening to doctors or scientists. They are “health” influencers on par with the current US secretary of Health and Human Services. I specifically called them “MAHA moms” in my previous comment for this reason.
I would hope that all reasonably educated people recognize that there are actual toxic substances that our bodies absorb that are harmful to us. But anyone who is identifying a specific toxin, much less a medically appropriate treatment plan for removing it, is leagues away from the snake-oil peddlers this post is talking about.
If you have not encountered these charlatans, more power to you. They used to be relegated to specific corners of the internet, but they’re becoming more mainstream with help from powerful figures in Washington.
I, unfortunately, had a loved one who followed some of these influencers with deadly effects. It turns out that juice cleanses and energy healing can’t cure cancer.
Don’t forget the heavy metals!
Those are also worth taking into account. Mercury in seafood, for example. Some can be excreted by the human body, others can’t.
Anyone talking about “toxins” and “waste products” as if they’re ‘stuck’ in your body is either very ignorant, or trying to sell you snake oil.
Some can be excreted by the human body, others can’t.
You contradicted yourself. The latter quote is true.
You’re right, I did contradict myself. I meant to say one thing and ended up making a silly statement that doesn’t make sense given the values I espouse myself. Thanks for pointing it out.
Heavy metal is good for you. Gets you moving and can be cathartic. I prefer stoner, doom, or deathcore myself though. Load my body up with those types of metal.
Heavy metal is good for you.
Eh, the Moebius stuff was great but a lot of the material just pandered to adolescent boys.
Moebius and Giger and Jodorowsky!
Yeah, what do people mean “toxins are pseudoscience”?
What are microplastics, heavy metals, and PTFAs, then???
You should to regularly
letdonate blood to expell thebad humorsmicroplastics.That’s right, pass those microplastics along to the cancer babies! (Seriously though, DONATE BLOOD.)
In serious, most ways to loose blood and need blood infusions will loose the plastics too, so the donated blood just maintains the concentrations, the samw way it does for the other components.
Everyone has plastics in their blood.But then if you donate frequently your blood will have lower concentrations due to all the previous donations, so don’t just donate, donate often.
AFAIK, still no conclusive studies that show microplastics having an overly adverse affect on the human body. I’ve seen one linking it to lower sperm counts, but that’s not particularly bad to me. We don’t need more people.
The big scare with microplastics is that they are everywhere and that certainly isn’t good; and I think we’re all just waiting for the shoe to drop and some study to come out that shows something majorly negative with them. But for now, there’s nothing obvious sticking out that shows an immediate concern. Which makes sense. We use plastic for so much because it tends not to react to stuff.
AFAIK, still no conclusive studies that show microplastics having an overly adverse affect on the human body
The problem is that we’ll never know because there’s no control group. Everybody has them, even fetuses still in the womb. You would have to build bunkers with perfect air filtering, and then go through, like, four generations of humans to breed microplastics-free specimen, which you could then use a the control group for the rest… Only them never leaving the bunker would already invalidate the tests… So, yeah…
If micro plastics were a problem then we should expect to see rapid increases in cancers in younger adults.
Handed a note
Huh. No shit.
Though even that is complicated by 50 or so years of nuclear weapons testing, which likely also increased cancer rates. Not to mention all that lead everywhere. Produce gradually losing nutrients because farming mostly just focuses on the big three with fertilizer and the others are being mined out of the ground and sent to landfills, septic tanks, waste processing facilities, cemetaries, and crematoriums also doesn’t help (though I’m not sure waste processing and crematoriums remove those nutrients from the cycle like the others, since the one could produce fertilizer and the other might be sending it out into the atmosphere where it could eventually end up back in the soil).
There’s so much chaos that it’s hard to isolate causes, which then makes all the causes kinda “hide in plain sight” because they can perpetually blame the others and shit only gets worse over time.
Let’s not forget the industrial pesticides, which are also everywhere.
Yeah, microplastics, too. And “pollution” being still broader than the list either of us have given so far. A car goes by smelling like gas? They are running their motor too rich and you’re literally inhaling unburnt gasoline. A car whose exhaust stinks but not like gas? Running too lean and now you’re inhaling various nitrogen compounds that aren’t great for inhaling. Ratio is correct? Still inhaling more CO and CO2 than normal, but everyone is doing it so there might not even be a control population to compare the effects against.
Oh also all the food additives that get tested for acute safety but not so much chronic (as in “will it kill you or make you obviously sick if you eat it once or a few times?” gets studied but “will eating it twice a week for 30 years have any long term effects?” is ignored).
Because they are so ubiquitous that it is impossible to find a control group. Quite literally every single person on the planet has micro plastics in them.
We haven’t noticed much in the way of short term effects, but there’s no way to know what long term effects there will be except to wait.
In the meantime, since the effects are… unlikely to be beneficial, the best thing to do is reduce exposure as much as possible.
Good point, those exist. I don’t think we know yet what all of the consequences are, but they’re obviously not good for us.
There are bio-accumulative toxins that really do get stuck in your body. Lead is a good example. Not that the supposed cures being peddled by these people can actually do anything about those.
Also, for the normal kind of toxin, the biggest factor keeping the levels in your body high is continued intake. Reducing that totally makes sense. However, you need to first have a real, based on science, understanding of what those toxins are in the first place and not just randomly blame junk food or 5G radiation, and it needs to be a permanent life style change. A two week “cleanse” does nothing. A juice will not detoxify you. (Depending on the juice, especially how filtered and how sugary it is, it may be healthy for other reasons. Standard orange juice is not, it’s way too sugary.)
There are bioaccumulative toxins, but nothing over the counter sold in a plastic tub by some guy in a tank top will get rid of them. And some, like lead, have symptoms that are not reversible. Lead poisoning is a lifelong condition. So a magical “detoxifying” shoe insole or smoothie additive isn’t going to do much. I think @nightshade@piefed.social 's point remains that any toxins that stay in the body are either gone for good after a short time, or there to stay.
Chelators are sold over the counter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation_therapy
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-best-way-to-detox-from-heavy-metals/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
In a plastic tub by a guy in a tank top at a store that sells more than 1 product with “swole” in the name?
You put it better than I did. Thanks.
You make good points. I guess what I really wanted to say is that 90% of the time when people talk about toxins and try to offer up a solution, they don’t even know what they’re trying to talk about. There certainly are substances that bio-accumulate. And as you say, understanding what is actually there, what can be measured, what is problematic, and then reducing intake should be key in solving the issue.
Another thing I think is important to understand is that the science is continually evolving. I’ve encountered plenty of doctors who insist you should eliminate saturated fat from your diet as much as you can, and that’s key to reducing your odds of heart disease. This is the old hypothetical model of heart disease. Modern studies tend not to agree. But people are still being told the same old things.
Also: Replace “super” (as in “superfood”) with “sacred” and it works just as well.
The funny thing, the truly funny thing, Is that many people reading this will assume their assumptions about nutrition are fact based and everybody else’s is pseudoscience. Examining the data on your own biases is critical for any standing in science.
I agree, and I’d add that it’s important to realize that what was considered fact 20 years ago might not be the same today. So we should be going based off what appears relevant today.
what’s a common assumption about nutrition that’s not true?
Its less commonly assumed now, but “eating fatty foods makes you fat” is really not true. The “fat free” food craze of the 90s-mid 00s took the fat out of everything and added sugar to make it taste good again. And everyone got fatter. Exactly as the sugar industry planned.
Pseudo-dermatology is also not very far away. The gap between what dermatologists and influencers say would be hilarious if gullible teenagers weren’t spending ridiculous amounts of money ruining their own skin.
The one that had me cry-laughing was the “sun your genitals” fad that lasted what, a week?
I lost a ton of weight and that gave me the courage to go to the nude beach. That day I got exactly 30 seconds of sun on my cock and that was enough to sunburn my knob. Itch/burn for days. There’s a reason it’s known as *where the sun don’t shine". Can’t imagine what it was like for the dopes that gave themselves 15 minutes under the Cali sun.
A lot of people go to nude beaches often and don’t have that problem. Did you use sunscreen?
No I’m saying it was the 1st time my cock had seen direct sun.
I mean come on… Try to read and understand
Nah bro I’m a Paleolithic human so I eat my burger without a bun.
Someone has to repackage the low carb diet in a new way every decade.
You still cooking your patties? Amateur. 🥱
Bro you ever try to make money selling horse radish extract? You gotta find creative ways to convince people to buy your product. 100% a marketing scheme.
Speaking of marketing scheme, I still have a laugh when people think the air fryer is the greatest kitchen equipment ever and so healthy because there’s no oil used.
It’s a bench top conventional oven.
It’s a bench top conventional oven.
With a fan!
So… A fan forced bench top oven 😂
Shout out to “alkaline water”.
I loved it when Gwyneth Paltrow said she drinks alkaline water for the health benefits… with a slice of lemon.
With a squeeze of lemon!
