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The Hungarian prime minister concedes to Péter Magyar, who is set to win a supermajority in the 199-seat parliament.
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Finally! Congratulations to the Hungarian voters who voted against the fucking Russian and MAGA stooge. Welcome back to the EU!
as a Hungarian I’m over the moon 🎆🎆🎆
as non-Hungarians we’re also over the moon 🎆 🎆 🎆
This post has been on the top of my home feed all day and it brought a smile to my face every time I opened Lemmy lol
Great!
But let’s not rest on our laurels.
The next step is getting green and social democratic candidates that will garner attention and excite voters, and have a chance to do a good job that will show people that they need to vote in their best interest and those who will defend them.
Conservative liberals are way better than dictators, particularly when they like to sprinkle social policies like taxing the wealthiest more and using the revenue for public services, but they also tend to do stuff that lets things ratchet back to oligarchy.
We also should get the UK to turn back, and Poland, Italy and others to wake up too. And many are still in the edge.
I know! Let’s get Vance to do a tour through Europe! Having him endorse all the people he likes the most! That’ll show the people who they can’t trust.
Lovely work! So much appeal!
Oh and the lady character and the goose are cute too! :p
Hope Vance comes to Spain to endorse Feijoo (right) and Abascal (extreme right) too. Everytime he endorses someone, this one loses!
I hope he comes to the US and endorses trump to wake up tomorrow
Oh, this one is very good!!! 😂
Wishing for him to come to Sweden and visit our Sweden Democrats.
He could go in a tour around Europe, and start hugging alt right wingers!!!
to be fair they seem to be doing a pretty decent job of getting themselves into jail and ousted from the party
yeah the “one bad apple” party just keeps producing single bad apples
Well the full expression is “one bad apple spoils the barrel”. As in one of them being evil and corrupt generally encourages the other ones to do the same thing. Especially if it’s a high up in the party, they set a precedent.
Also a lot on the right seem to be rich and are using right wing rhetoric as a way to win power, so they’re already from the “laws don’t apply to me” class anyway, so act as per usual.
yeah the expression the party has used, calling them “enskilda rötägg” (literally meaning something like “singular instances of rotten eggs”) doesn’t really translate. interestingly the sweden democrat party members are all mostly working class. they got started as a swedish arm of the BNP so they had basically the same audience, but they’ve cleaned up a lot since the 90’s and unlike the BNP of today no longer say the quiet part out loud.
Yeah, but their main objective is still to throw out all immigants. They don’t really care about anything else, even if they pretend to. And of course they’re attractive to angry racists.
i honestly think there are people in the party who no longer want that. unfortunately their base hasn’t gotten the message.
The rotten egg analogy makes more sense. Each egg is completely sealed off from the others in the group. Since the shell is only permeable to gasses, one spoiled egg will not spoil the bunch.
except in this case it definitely has, because there have been a lot of so-called rotten eggs in that party.
Every time? Did he endorse another loser before?
The rigth winger en Canada, and in general has showed support to all the right wing parties candidates in Europe. And how could we forget that he visited the Pope, and he died next day!
The one in Canada was slated to win by every metric, but endorsement by American right wing politicians (in the midst of a trade war they started) caused a wild backlash. He even lost his hometown riding, which… Yikes.
When this is all over, the world will need to throw a thank-you party for the US electing Trump and waking up the voters of the world, shaking them out of their complacency to clean up their own houses.
I think this is kind of the way accelerationists actually think.
Tbh I thought your trump getting elected alone might be such a shock to your political establishments that your liberals would actually swing to the left for once.
I don’t know why I have any confidence in “my fellow countrymen.” I went to a public high school for 4 years, I “met the masses” there, and 90% of them were idiots, 60% of them were mean spirited, racist, bigoted idiots. And now they vote.
Before 2024, I honestly thought “there’s no way they’d ever put that clown back in.” And here we are, orange face paint and all.
Got his own Pope installed and alienated him too.
IIRC, the Trump/Vance effect also helped Australia elect a non right wing government.
no, the ALP support the genocide of gaza and also support banderite neo-nazis in ukraine, just like every major australian party
Was the pope a right winger too?
To be fair, if a left winger got endorsed by Vance, that would pretty much also kill their political career.
Vance’s status as poison is a universal thing for the entire political spectrum.
No, in fact, it was more left winger that they wanted to. This is only to mark that he is a gaffe. A big one!
AfD in Germany
They’re actually doing pretty well and it sickens me.
Sweet. We should invite him over more often.
Couldn’t stuff the ballot boxes fast enough, eh?
As I understand, Hungarian elections were voted as “free, but not fair” by observers.
I.e the ballots would get counted properly, but Orban’s gerrymandered it into oblivion, most media belongs to Orban’s friends, etc. The winning party had every possible disadvantage short of Fidesz actually messing with the ballots themselves.
decent chance this was a mass coalition of popular support to oust a dictator large enough that the dictator understood it was concede gracefully or be drug from the palace by his ankles and then hung publically
Man its really hard to enjoy good news these days when you know the grim reality of your own country’s future… and what could have been.
Channel your inner pissed off hungarian and swarm that ballot box
it’s what it can be that motivates us
There aren’t any good outcomes for the US for the next few decades. Just bad and worse. I’ll be long dead before any real improvement happens.
I’m not American but I know how you feel. Even in Japan, my choices are less bad vs bad and the only thing I can do is keep voting for the former.
I try to get involved with community events to at least make my small circle of influence a happy place for everyone.
Hopefully they will be able to fund Ukraine now and kick Russia the fuck out of Europe.
Russia is in Europe.
Sure, but not in the progressive, sane or civilized part of Europe.
That part is shrinking by the day, or haven’t you noticed the shift in a lot of governments recently?
Yeah, they’re in Ukraine, Belarus and used to be in Hungary.
I see many “but he is also far right” comments. Peter Magyar might be on the right side of the scale, but he did not base his program on far right rhetoric at all. Its also impressive how many world class experts Magyar got for his party for major ministry roles. Many businessman and leaders from other sectors. Its a bit similar to the ruling change after the communism ended in Hungary, when instead of politicians, scientists, recognized intellectuals and experts got the ministry roles.
They seems to want to focus on repairing the damage, what Orbans gang caused, getting back all the EU funds and building up basic systems, like education and healthcare from scratch.
I’m part Hungarian and did not have a right to vote, but followed closely the whole thing and it might not look like it, but its a huuuge thing. All my Hungarian friends/colleagues are celebrating, after all they got rid of a cancerous tumor.
How did Hungarians get there first place? (to elect Orban)
i’m assuming he’ll just end up being a pretty average european moderate, i.e. absolutely miserable but at least capable of saying (and maybe even believing) the words “killing our own citizens is bad, actually”
Similar to how Zelenskyy’s politics are objectively not particularly astounding, but contrasted with the invasion by russia he looks like a holy saint
I’m not aware of the finer details of Magyars platform - What are his plans for all the Orban supporting public servants / judges etc.?
It sounds like root and branch reforms are incoming. It could be a great template for… certain other nations.Pretty much he promised to get rid of everyone who was an active member of the corrupt system. Also he plans to destroy all propaganda media, and wants to go after the oligarchs as well.
Its a lot and we will se how much he manages to fulfill of the promises, but if they manage to achieve only fractions of it, Hungary will be already a better place.
During his victory speech yesterday he called on them to resign immediately. He also said there would be no mercy only accountability.
I hope that Magyar follows post-far right Poland on dismantling the far right loyalist media and judges.
Many businessman and leaders from other sectors. Its a bit similar to the ruling change after the communism ended in Hungary
God, I hope it’s not similar
building up basic systems, like education and healthcare from scratch
That’s not what the right wing does, I’ll be pleasantly surprised if I get corrected by the policy of the new party, but do not expect public healthcare or education from a right wing party. The whole “we have no ideology, we just want experts” is very often an excuse for right wing “centrist” policy. Don’t get me wrong, hard to do worse than Orban.
i don’t see what that graph’s supposed to show. replacing the businessmen was in the 90s and here it’s a basic trend starting from the 80s, plus emigration restrictions immediately relaxing
i’m more expectant since national minimums was part of the platform
If your country prohibits its residents to go abroad for decades, then the borders open, and anyone can work or live abroad all of the studden I think its a normal thing to see. The worst part here is that the tendency continued even after Hungary joined the EU and Orban won his first elections.
If you had any idea what you’re talking about, you’d know that migrations are only part the picture, the rest being massive increases in mortality due to unemployment, drug abuse, violent death, suicide and lack of access to healthcare, and decreases in birthrates due to economic instability and lack of social support and destruction of the welfare state. The migrations happened precisely because of the economic and welfare destruction in the Eastern Block due to the arrival of capitalism, not due to some sort of “emigration deficit”. You’re just proving to us all that you haven’t done even the most cursory reading of the post-Soviet situation in the eastern block.
I’m happy to overcome my shortcomings and ignorance and learn from someone more knowledgeable. Do I understand correctly you put in this graph to predict a similar thing will happen? What are your other predictions? How is this relevant to this topic and why is important?
I’m not putting forward predictions with this graph, the graph just proves that “removing politicians to put in experts” is a slogan used by the right wing, the ones with the luxury of pretending that economics aren’t ideological.
My prediction is simply that electing a right wing party won’t solve corruption (one of the biggest perceived issues in Hungary after 16 years of continuous Orban rule), to degradation of working rights and welfare state, and will simply result in pursuing EU-dictated neoliberal policy in an era in which the EU has been stagnating for 20 years .
My alternative is not Orban either, I’m a firm leftist. I just with Eastern Europe hadn’t been dominated by anticommunism for the past 35 years and actually had a chance to grow some progressive movements, which is hard to do when you reject all the progress and advances put forward by former socialism.
I can get behind your view, I feel the same.
Just to put it in perspective how bad the situation was in Hungary from up close, most opposition parties (leftist or not) had literally zero chance replacing the Orban regime in the past 16 years.
They destroyed their opponents with a brutal propaganda machine and twisted voting system (winner compensation). I saw it first hand, I lived there a few years and the brainwashing is not just a buzzword, most boomers love Orban more than their own families. I wanted to buy a house and live there, but we left after a couple years after we saw what the state media did to people.
This was probably the last chance to get rid of them and it was an incredible feat to pull off. Magyar might not be the most ideal candidate, but if your house is on fire you cant pick and choose the firefighters.
I see many “but he is also far right” comments.
It’s also interesting to note that Orban didn’t used to be far right. He was sort of moderate and even on the scholarship program of George Soros back in the day.
The west supported Navalny, an ultra-nationalist literally shooting muslims in a video and calling them cockroaches, fully in favor of invading ukraine for creating a great empire.
What matters is anti-Putin in this case.
We support anyone willing to be our puppet, as shown recently when they whitewashed the headchopper Jolani.
Put him in a suit, cut his terrorist beard and now he gets the red carpet treatment.Who is “us”? Both, Washington DC and Moscow were heavily interfering in the election in favour of Orban. Are you truly pushing the Russian fairy tale of Magyar being a puppet of Brussels or Kiev or whose puppet are you even talking about?
Bloomcole consistently has the worst takes on matters. He’s an imperialist Russian tankie.
who is “we” ?
The ‘free and democratic’ west of course.
You are remaing as vague as before, name specific countries, institutions, politicians or other central figures. You don’t if course, because remaining vague us a pillar of disinformation.
a pillar of disinformation
I can smell your ‘Ruzzian disinfo Pootin troll’ already.
I’m not going to humor your fake curiosity. You know perfectly well what I’m talking about.So first you give a non-descriptive response and now you refuse to make your arguments in any way concrete at all. Your choice.
We still don’t know who or what this ominous dark force is (concretely by name) you were referring to the whole time. It can’t be the US, given how it did everything to prevent the fall of the Orban regime.
Most important: it’s even a 2/3 majority. Without that, Orban could have still blocked most of the changes. Now, he cannot.
I’m glad we can now poor money into the black hole of corruption that is ukraine unhindered.
Not that it already caused an awful crisis here in the EU.
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yawn
The crisis for Europe is that Europe is under attack, you dumb fucking moron.
Really, could’ve fooled me. Pretty quiet here.
Are the Russians coming again? LOL
All I see is EU scumbag vassal politicians taking my money that ends up in corrupt scumbags pockets while their ‘refugees’ come leeching here of our state and now and then go back on holiday, like now for easter.
Such terrible war zone.
So go fuck yourself scumbag.
Go get yourself killed fighting for the nazis on the eastern front like your granddaddy probably did.
One fascist less. Congratulations to Hungary!
This does give me a small sliver of hope.
I hope they learned something
Thanks J.D. 😄
I know little enough about the guy, but if he was approved by Donnie I presume he was horrible.
Has Magyar even thanked Vance?
He was also endorsed by Putin and Netanyahu so there isn’t any possible doubt he’s horrible
Yeah, that’s like the holy trinity of evil endorsement.
Bet he uses Windows, too.
Windows fucking 11. And you know what, I hear he wants copilot in everything. Start menu, search, text editing, etc.
He wants the OS to just be one fucking dialog box where you have to coax the OS into doing anything.
Fucking pervert.
He visits, the old pope dies. He visits, your entire political party is marginalized. Frankly if I were a world leader I’d want to stay as far the hell away from JD Vance as possible.
Actually, as just a regular Joe I’d * also * like to stay as far the hell away from JD Vance as possible.
Can we handcuff him to Donnie?
I like my couch the same way I like my dinner: unfucked.
If he buys me a new one he can have it
I’m very happy with my sofa, I’m not sure a replacement would be as good, so no.
He can’t buy you a new one because he’s been banned from every furniture store in the world, and he knows damn well why.
He icky.
Americans helping solidify Europe and move them away from depending on U.S. and Russia. I love to see it
Don’t forget open source adoption
He’s propped up by Peter Thiel which should make people worry, if he was a tiny bit effective…maybe he is and there a big grand scheme at work but I don’t think Maga will rally behind him.
Course I don’t the ins and outs of their opinions beyond racist good and being accepting is bad. I hope the gas prices sink them, as horrible as a tiny thing his stance on things. I’m sure Thiel can afford a new lackey and has some ready to bring up. Hell he probably planned for that, Vance is so bland that he’s probably only there to make a case but not accomplish much.
Well that’s quite the Brodown now isn’t it? This sauce just got a little thicker. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmmm ( Samuel L. Jackson inner voice) C’mon, let us have some more please. Can’t really make this sort of stuff up without a pretty damn good barometer & heading on it all.
How high are you right now
About the same as you. And exactly where I am.
TBH higher than a step stool on a giraffes back with a Bull Moose on stand by in case the scenario goes sideways.
