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    I’ve also heard of such a “conservative” calling for the nationalisation of Google in order to save it from socialism.

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    Republicans voting for Democrats because they don’t watch Fox News and thought he was a super Republican? I hope I never runs into these weirdos.

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      left and right dictate the direction of policy. given that though the republicans in the us abandoned all conservative philosophy and embraced just facism.

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      In a local election that’s true. When it comes to seats in a larger body, you’ve gotta take the bad with the good to get anything done. If we added a dozen anti-abortion democrats in the Senate, Trump would be impeached. And abortion would be stuck. A shitty trade off, but one that would move closer to removing abortion bans in the longer term.

      (ignoring the house just for the example)

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        When it comes to seats in a larger body, you’ve gotta take the bad with the good

        That’s a great way to get stabbed in the back.

        Look at what happened with Joe Lieberman. Dems backed him up even after he lost his primary in a bright blue state, and he repeatedly threw them under the bus.

        Same with Jim Justice in W. Virginia.

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    The secret hidden in this article is that talking about the cost of living, cost of groceries, cost of gas resonates across party lines stronger than any culture war distractions. The way to bring down fascism is to simply talk about how expensive things are and why there is no help.

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      Also to not use ANY of the conservative buzzwords they have conditioned them to hear and associate with certain things. Also don’t say anything related to all their Thought Terminating Cliches.

      Don’t say: Socialism, Communism, Capitalism, Immigrants, anything LGBTQ, anything economy, anything equality, anything related to DEI, anything they fixate on.

      Instead, use actual basic terms and explanations without using the shortcut words that they have been conditioned/brainwashed with. It’s a minefield, but can be done. Don’t say the economy is bad, say the cost of food is very high and I wish we had better pay or cheaper prices. Don’t say you want democratic socialism, say it would be great if medical costs were fair and we had more help with everyday things we all want and need.

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        For all of Trump’s bullshit I credit his grade 3 level speaking with most of his success.

        The man speaks like an adult talking to a 5 year old (intentionally or not) and the American electorate responds to that.

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        This has been my biggest takeaway of the past ten years. The electorate wants more social democratic policies, but they are afraid of the name. Fox News has made the mention of “social” anything or “liberal” anything toxic to a not-insignificant portion of the US population, and calling these policies by their generally agreed upon designations (be it from political science, philosophy, or academia), that group will just shut it down because those words just trip something in their brains.

        Anecdotal as it may be, I got my MAGA mother to agree that a single payer healthcare system was better explaining in small words what “a common sense, good system” would look like. She was totally on board. Will she vote for “Medicare for All,” now? No, because “that’s socialism!!!1!1!!1,” but an identical program that got explained was “just common sense.”

        In the end, I’ve found that MAGA people fall into three camps: bigots, idiots, and the selfish. Bigots will never be reasoned with; they’re there to hurt people. The selfish are too rich to benefit from any good policies. Idiots, though, can be reasoned with, but you have to reason with them in the language of a 10 year old. It sounds condescending (and to a degree it is), but it’s the only way to get through to them.

        It seems insane from an outsider’s perspective, but I think that we could get some European-esque policies passed in the US if instead of using “normal” terms, we use super mega-deluxe 'Murican cowboy names and just play into the quirks of American culture.

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          Oh man, spot on.

          Bigots and selfish really are both lost causes, good news is those 2 groups are a tiny fraction of the overall US population. Maybe 5-10% each. The 3rd group you named I 100% agree are idiots, but it isn’t like they are idiots in all aspects. They are just politically and maybe empathetically / emotionally idiots. They fell for an absolute moron’s very obvious lies and grifts. They fell for the most basic political cons. They fell for the same lies and grifts he has been doing for DECADES where he uses people and throws them under the bus at the end of their usefulness. He makes deals and doesn’t pay. He gets support and doesn’t hold up his end. He sells things with a promise that never comes true. Not to mention he is in the Epstein Files more than Jesus is in the Bible. Not to mention the 34 felonies. Not to mention all the bankruptcies. Not to mention all the laws he violates. Not to mention the insurrection and treason. Not to mention his corrupt ties to foreign governments and powers. Not to mention the pile of red flags with his character and behavior. AND THEY FUCKING SAW ALL THAT AND VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY!

          Yeah, in their daily lives they may be a smart farmer and know how to grow crops well, they may be a smart business person and know sales and management well, they may be a smart person and know a dozen difficult skills and be smart in many other ways.

          But with politics and empathy, they are absolute bottom of the barrel, blind as a deaf bat morons and it is embarrassing to see just how gullible and dumb they are and it would be absolutely hilarious if it weren’t for the fact that we have to be in the same boat as them.

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      I think Lewis Black said it best: “We have a party of bad ideas and a party of no ideas.”

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    I think I understand the bizarre train of thought, something like:

    1. Democrats don’t care about my interests.
    2. Democrats are socialists, because the TV said so
    3. This guy doesn’t sound like other democrats
    4. That must be because he’s not a socialist, like they are.

    I know rationally that running on material interests can cut through culture war bullshit, but it’s funny to see how it gets rationalized when it does.

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    This isnt surprising one bit. Those people are probably above the average Intelligence of Americans actually.

    The idiots really do ruin the world dont they.

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    This comes down to a lot of purposeful obsfucation of politics and terminology as well as subpar education in that matter.

    Example, those people saying “The left” mean left of their view points and understand. But without clear definitions of their intent and meaning it becomes a pointless mire for discussion. You spend more time educating and getting clarification that you’re not likely to ever make it to the discussion at hand.

    A lot of what I and many USA citizens will have to do is just understand what different positions are, what certain terms mean. When they say “liberal” they mean a vague definition of “the left.” Where as when I say it, I mean neo-liberals in particular which is a conservative ideology that still believes in Laissez-faire capitalism.

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      Political philosophy has never been taught in schools and a two party system means that there’s little coherance in party positions besides “big tent, urban” or “big tent, rural”

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    I’m surprised this misconception isn’t more common. Conservatives constantly run on reducing the cost of living (despite doing the opposite), so someone actually vowing to do it with a plan in mind seems perfect for this lot

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      Yup, instead we all get strung up on not welcoming “racists” in our tent. Economic issues should be the main focus of the left!

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        The reason race is divisive is because Democrats, as a national party, refuse to run on economic issues that would endanger their corporate donors. In the absence of economic policies that would improve their lives, white people will vote for racial grievance every time.

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          Yup, corporations have truly become the enemy of the people. Just look at the obscene payouts from the tariff debacle. With my conspiracy hat on, I think that was the goal all along. A lot of these companies will have record profits this quarter because they get money from the taxpayer to cover the tariffs that regular consumers already paid. Insanity