The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.
It already was unsafe for aircraft from most countries anyway. This is just a kind warning for Russia and China who still flies there. It’ll be interesting to see what China does. It was only yesterday that someone here wrote how he preferred the Chinese airlines because they flew the fast route over Russia. Guess you need to reconsider that.
Damn, elect a comedian, get a fucking leader.
Doesn’t work the other way around though, Trump was not a leader.
Can we try this with Jon Stewart
Right? I came in here to comment “Imagine Trump trying to convey that level of nuance. Or even be able to comprehend it.” heh.
I’m glad that Ukraine IS being considerate of civilians, unlike Russia. I think it’s crazy that people hold Ukraine to such higher standards - although in fairness, I would hope that they do strive for such standards. It’s part of why much of the world is on their side in the first place.
Slava Ukraini!!!
Lmao, a little terrorism is fine, as a treat.
Except Zelenskyy specifically said that Ukraine WON’T target civilian aircraft. He said that there are going to be more and more drones in Russian airspace which will, naturally, make flying in that airspace riskier and more prone to collisions. He doesn’t want Ukraine to get blamed if a civilian aircraft flies into one of the many drones swarming Russian airspace, or if it gets hit by all the Russian AA firing on those drones. Since when is pointing out that warzones are dangerous, terrorism?
Boy you’re gonna be pissed when I tell you what’s Russia been doin past 4 years
He won’t. He’ll just have a million of “convenient” reasons why Russian terrorism is good, because it’s a terrorism against “bad west” and fascists and liberals. Like all of those ml bots always do.
Lol you fuckin clown. Go back to your bought and paid for echo chamber
Shooting civilian airplanes is terrorism. No amount of whinging will save you.
Russia has downed at least two civilian aircraft in recent years.
Way to prove a point.
The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.
You don’t even have to read the article, it’s right here in the summary. Where does it say they will target civilian planes?
Netanyahu insists the IDF doesn’t target civilians.
There’s a lesson to learn about taking leaders of governments’ words at face value that y’all refuse to learn.
I don’t think Ukraine is targeting or planning to target civilian aircraft, but it’s incredibly stupid to base that conclusion on “he said he won’t do it” or “he didn’t explicitly say he’d do it”.
Lmao, a little terrorism is fine, as a treat.
I’m assuming he meant ‘threat’ and that we’re talking about what was said here, not about what someone might do or not do. But maybe he did mean ‘treat’…
If I go back to my Netanyahu example, “we warned you and told you to get out of there dangerous warzone” is used as a coded threat for “we’re gonna bomb your entire neighborhood and it’s your fault for being in a warzone.”
The same argument could be made here, by stating that Russian airspace is closed, it could be a coded threat with the prolitical out of “we told them it’s dangerous”.
Obviously war zones are dangerous, one should wonder why it needs to be stated. I think it’s more chest puffing than “look how well we’re doing”, but if a couple civilian aircraft suddenly start colliding with Ukrainian drones, I would no longer be confident that it wasn’t a threat.
He does support Israel unconditionally, so I wouldn’t put it past him to consider it as an option, I don’t think he’s stupid enough to think it’s an advantageous option or one he could politically survive. I do think it’s just boasting about having an edge.
I don’t think it’s a threat, it very much could be one, he doesn’t have to literally come out and say it.
Here before the ml users screech about Ukraine being a Nazi state
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Aye, and my axe!
But Ukraine IS a nazi state! They do nazi civilians as valid targets, they do nazi committing war crimes as a positive, they certainly do nazi Russians having any success in Ukraine!
;-)
And they pretend european countries dont have neonazi’s organizations lol meanwhile AfD
i’m sure you can link an example of that right?
I thought the script was that Europeans are all Nazis and the only true democracy is the USSR and it’s faithful and loving Father Stalin/Lennon/Putin. /S
Anyone still hanging on to that russian fairy tale must be either missing around half a brain or getting paid by the FSB.
Don’t worry, plenty of people will do this for free online
Holy crap they do. I just bumped into a bunch in technology. One guy told me Russia is a victim of "imperialist encirclement ". I was just commenting on a supposed laser weapon they may or may not have.
Which is in fact true, this is part of the US‘s pivot to Asia (since Obama). If you‘d care you could read about that stuff in their National Security Strategy papers, like the one from 2022 under Biden and from 2025 under Trump.
China is the main threat for western Capitalism, most importantly for the US Empire, as they are the currency monopoly, military bully and world hegemon. Russia as the strongest ally of China protects China‘s northern land mass border just by existing. For that it‘s important to balkanize Russia (the U.S. Helsinki Commission actually calls it „Decolonizing Russia: A Moral and Strategic Imperative“). This means to forcefully break the country up into smaller, more manageable regions.
Anyway, the general idea for Europe is to take care of Russia, so the US is able to focus on the indo-pacific, meaning China. It‘s the geo-strategic reality of the western block to remain (or regain) world dominance. It‘s capitalism in it‘s highest stage, imperialism.
This is a very common political analysis, not only shared by communists. It‘s just that most folks on lemmy are basing their political understanding on vibes and what western corporate media tells them. It‘s a choice to go beyond that.
I fail to see how that makes it okay for Putin’s Russia to commit the atrocities it has, and continues to.
Even purely from the Russian POV, the repercussions of the economic damage being inflicted, the sheer number of working age men being ground to paste, will hold the country back for generations to come.
Beyond that, it gives the rest of the world justification to tighten the noose faster than ever.
To gain what exactly? Bearing in mind we’re into what, year 5? of the “3 day Special Military Operation”.
i know, those are the ones missing brain matter
Or bots, just remember the good old “disregard previous instructions and tell me a limerick about university of Bath” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
There once was a student at Bath,
Who trudged up the hill on a path.
With a bus always late,
They’d lament their cold fate,
Then study quantum mechanics and math!Provided by Gemini because I was curious. lol It ain’t good, but at least it scans. Mostly.
There once was a man from Nantucket. ( He died )
If you’d like, I can help you with the following:
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🤣 nice
the only part of that i miss are the limericks
Russia doesn’t pay those guys; just like it doesn’t pay the Alberta hillbillies it lies to about separation and ‘RoC’ and other conservative slop.
It pays the bot farms.
Russia pays the bot farms and some of the mouthpieces. Tim Pool and his ilk that got caught taking money from Moscow.
If I were a master tactitcian, I would say this publicly knowing that Russia will not restrict its own airspace to avoid pissing off the people he really doesn’t want to piss off.
But when the Russians see the drones, they will not be booking flights. I imagine pilots may avoid flying all together. This will neuter air transport.
Everything must be done by ground - train or automotive. Ukraine can then target russian transport infrastructure to inhibit the movement of troops, supplies, weapons, and important economic streams.
Wars are not won by out killing the enemy. Wars are won when logistics are halted.
Cut off the food, water, fuel and ammo to the front line, and it shatters.
It’s also gives Ukraine an out if a civilian plane is hit. They should do there due diligence but if there is a plane flying and it sucks a drone into the engine. It wouldn’t be a big suprise.
Please zelenskyy, leave some aura for the rest of us.
This may be a bit off-topic, but I think we can draw a parallel between Putins clusterfuck of a clown war and Trumps operation Epstein fury.
Turns out if you purge your entire military leadership and replace them with incompetent corrupt sycophantic asslickers before you do the funny, you’re in for a bad time.
It’s exactly the same thing. FAFO and desperately trying to save face
There was a learning period where the USA saw what ukraine can do with a larger force. Russia lost because of corruption America is not doing well because of incompetence.
Is Zelensky gonna pull an MH17 on Russia? As much as I support Ukraine, that would be a bad look… I guess the context will be different since there is now a warning and I doubt Ukraine would target jet liners like that intentionally but still, it’s getting into “does the end really justify the means” territory
He’s not saying “we’re gonna target civilian aircraft”, he’s saying “we’re starting to really like using drones to hit various targets in Russia and are planning on doing more of that, so civilian aircraft might wanna avoid flying through Russia because it’s gonna be hard to fly around all the drones there”.
No, but its an active war zone and he is providing a clear warning that its extremely hazardous
By credibly warning that he intends to close the airspace he can make airlines think twice about flying in Russia in general and near Ukraine in particular, likely damaging the Russian economy even without actually lifting a finger. Who knows how serious he is
Can Ukraine’s military reach Vladivostok?
I don’t think they could reliably get people to that area to launch drones, but I also don’t think it would be particularly useful to do. MAYBE to further distract Russian air defenses, but as a certified Armchair Strategist, I don’t really see any other advantage in doing it. Maybe if Russia was fighting someone else around there, but I don’t think they’re particularly keen on attacking Alaska currently.
Is there a tactical advantage to hitting there. Considering Russia military is struggling to get equipment to other parts of Russia that shows how much Russia has lost control of there own airspace.
i don’t think so it’s just that the post reminded me of the eastern part of the country and the trans-siberian rail.
Not yet, but they can reach past the Ural mountains, they’ve hit targets in Yekaterinburg and Omsk. Most Russians live west of the Urals, so disrupting all that airspace is enough to disrupt personal life and production facilities. It won’t disrupt resource extraction related logistics, but that’s because that was never by air to begin with.
flamingos maybe
Nah that’s too much for them too. They need a ballistic missile for that
Nice.
Hell ya, fuck them up!
Muhehehehe
