• Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works
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    I’ve grown content with the fact there are some aspects of the human experience I will never know first hand or need to know, and that’s ok.

    I always make sure to nod or high-five the person I see in the puppy mask at shows sometimes, then leave them to their mysterious doings. Sometimes, it’s good enough to know a door exists - you don’t always have to open it.

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    First read through, I thought ‘puppy play’ meant literally playing with your puppy.

    …you should be able to play with your puppy without feeling the need to fuck them. Your puppy isn’t the problem here.

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    I genuinely don’t know much about puppy play other than knowing what pup hoods look like (and even then, for all I know the two things are entirely unrelated), but if you have to ask that question you probably should knot engage with or talk about puppy play

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          Based on the pawb.social yeah they are a furry. However the overlap between furs and pups is very much a thing.

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            Yeah, I’m being tongue in cheek pretending that pup, furry, and bear aren’t often just the same type of person in different moods.

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              Okay so maybe I don’t know what a bear is. I didn’t think a bear was acting like anything, or trying to be an animal (outside of human), but was just a bigger guy who might be hairy

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                Back at the beginning of the modern LGBT umbrella, gays were given the stereotype of all being hookup obsessed kinky motorcycle enthusiasts, the ‘leather daddy and boi’ look. It’s good to look tough when protesting for your right to exist.

                Around the 90s the jazzercise fit athletic picky eater gay became a trope on television - your classic twink.

                The problem with both those poster boy stereotypes is they’re both positioned as kinda in-your-face and combative, so gays that just wanted to live life emerged - fat, unthreatening, and likely to invite you to their BBQ - the modern bear.

                Meanwhile, the internet is just becoming a thing and in the early days ‘nobody on the internet knows if you’re a dog’ as the expression goes. Without a corporal body as reference, people are reduced to their chosen name/handle, their profile pic and whatever thoughts they posted. Internet culture filled the gaps with anime girls and cats - creating the perfect culture for mascot suiting to evolve into a new niche.

                Finally, pup play stems from the biker boi kink of gimp play (sensory deprivation), someone stitched leather ears onto a gimp hood to reduce a (consensual adult) person to ‘just an obedient animal’ with the original look meant to dehumanize and anonymize. Ironically this play has gone through radical transformations and softened as most modern pup hoods are colorful expressions of individuality. Today pup play is a great sampler platter of kinks and adult activities in general (including many that are family friendly). It’s a great way for stressed adults to step away from adulting for an evening and just play.

                Also, don’t take my description as fully gospel, all of these movements are complicated with regional variations, and since these are generally voluntary labels and useful stereotypes, you’ll find plenty of people who see these differently or wish to gatekeep, etc. So take this all with grains of salt

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      hey look at me i never fail to mention obvious facts when i’m ideologically motivated to do so

      no seriously this is some serious virtue signaling

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        It’s fine if you like licking boots, I don’t kink shame unless they are Nazi boots.

        It’s a joke made on a shitpost. Go take your Nazi apologizing elsewhere.

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          Yes sure I may have overreacted a bit and I get how it connects to the topic on some level, but I’m starting to feel that some people just have to use every opportunity to say how XY is actually something a nazi would do (even if 99% of people do said thing) and then get a bajillion upvotes because people live in an echo chamber.

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            Okay, wow. Did you know that the Nazis also had pet peeves? You probably even love your dog and dislike indoor smoking, just like hitler.

            /j I’m sorry if this actually distresses you.

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          Let’s see which boxes I check

          likes any right wing figure at all - no

          is left wing - yes

          likes twitter - no

          thinks genocide would solve stuff - no

          wants to give tax breaks to billionaires - no

          thinks random offtopic mentions of all twitter users being bootlickers are destructive - yes

          thinks it’s also useless virtue signaling and just a giant circlejerk - yes

          obvious nazi

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            thinks random offtopic mentions of all twitter users being bootlickers are destructive - yes

            All I can read is “thinks it’s pointless to remind people that Twitter is a Nazi bar”

            You can think it’s destructive all you want, but Twitter IS destructive, and the bootlickers who still frequent it are contributing to the destruction of our culture by fucking Nazis.

            thinks it’s also useless virtue signaling and just a giant circlejerk - yes

            Yet you’re virtue signalling in the opposite direction, effectively tacitly defending Twitter and it’s Nazi owner.

            Pardon me if I shit on anyone with your opinion, because the last thing we need is a pro-twitter circle jerk. There are already enough Nazis in the Internet, we don’t need to accidentally pill more people because we want to cry about shit in the Internet.

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              Nazi bar

              I never liked this stupid idea. If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar? What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis.

              I don’t see anyone applying this logic to the wider web where we have Nazi sites: no one calls the web a Nazi bar. Or the world for that matter. Is your language a Nazi bar since some Nazis speak it? Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world. Nazi bar is classic bad company fallacy.

              The most pernicious effect of this fallacy is it just surrenders entire platforms to Nazis & pretends retreating to ideological bubbles is morally virtuous. By immaturely prioritizing comforting & unchallenging environments of social validation & self-righteousness maintained by silencing opposition over environments of unfettered public discourse that challenge us to develop intellectual depth & skill to actually debate serious disagreements, we erode critical thought, limit self-reflection & growth, and allow radicalization to propagate unchecked by exposure to deradicalizing influences & more intelligent perspectives. We promote backslides into repressive extremism by being cowardly ninnies unwilling to counter words with reason & public opinion. Have some conviction to stand up for your morality where it matters.

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                What is being communicated is that being a nazi is so inherently abhorrant that its unsafe to express support for nazism in decent places. A nazi may exist in such places but they do so quietly because they risk at minimum getting tossed out.

                Places where its ok to be a nazi loudly end up attracting more because such places are rare and thus attract a disproportionate number of such folks.

                These folks make decent folks not want to come. Now you have a Nazi bar.

                From a broader social standpoint, people adjudge ideas I’m part based on how acceptable they seem to be by their peers.

                Seeing nornal communication alongside nazism reenforces the perceived normalcy of these abhorrent ideas.

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                It’s not a nazi bar because there is the occasional nazi in it. It’s a nazi bar because it’s led by a nazi, applies nazi standards and moderation, and therefore attracts nazis.

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                  That owner is 1 person. This Nazi bar argument does nothing for the multitude of people left behind in an increasingly right-wing bubble because the “morally righteous” are too stuck-up or cowardly to make a stand with rational debate & deradicalizing influence where it’s needed.

                  If Nazi standards & moderation means less policing of hate speech, we don’t get that in the public square, either, yet the public is quite capable of denouncing & arguing against it there. Actual Nazis in Nazi regalia have marched & spoken there. Is the public square a Nazi bar? Moderation simply isn’t needed for better voices to prevail.

                  Moreover, there are plenty of anti-Nazis there who stay to defend morality. Much like the rest of the world, there is also much going on there that isn’t Nazi-related. Nazi bar is just a rationalization for cowards to surrender & seek comfort, because when the immoral aren’t silenced, they aren’t willing to seriously challenge immorality where it matters.

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                I never liked this stupid idea.

                The ‘stupid idea’ that people don’t want to be around Nazis? 🤔

                If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar?

                Muh both sides.

                What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis

                Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I’ll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.

                As to the rest, I’ve played this game before, and it’s not worth my time to argue with Nazis directly, especially when the platform is moderating against normal people. I’d rather see the platform user count fall and it fail vs giving them money and traffic. There are plenty of other social media sites out there, stop propping up the shitty ones.

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                  Arguing is easy when you ignore everything you’re responding to.

                  people don’t want to be around Nazis? 🤔

                  Already answered with

                  Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world.

                  Maybe you need to stop speaking a Nazi bar language, abandon the Nazi bar web, or leave the Nazi bar world. Everything is tainted. This is just bad company fallacy mentioned before.

                  Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I’ll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.

                  You do that: it seems you need to sate your hunger for crayons. Explain what you’re doing on the web or in the world.

                  I’d rather see the platform user count fall and it fail vs giving them money and traffic.

                  Musk is a hundred billionaire with fuck you money. He bought the platform at a loss while it was only making losses. It’s probably still making losses. I doubt it’s making any money. Using it while blocking ads (which I’ve never seen) might increase losses.

                  Nazis, anti-Nazis, & anyone else have as much right to claim a space as anything they like. Calling some communication system a Nazi bar as soon as Nazis aren’t silenced is just a subjective judgement. Others are on there, and it’s as much their bar, too. It’s a bar.

                  All you’re defending is acting morally superior by judging the people who don’t cower off as going to a “Nazi bar” when really you’re not morally superior at all: you’re giving up by failing to stand by your convictions & letting the extremists increasingly sway public discourse on a popular platform. It’s a load of shit.

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              This is actually a pretty good arguement. As for me virtue signaling I didn’t notice that, but even if that is true on some level, I don’t really think it’s hypocritical to remind people not to tell other people what to do, despite that being telling someone what to do.

              Also some more refined thoughts about what I meant: I get that twitter is a cesspool, but everyone at least here knows that. I just thought that was a really weird topic to bring up on this post out of the blue. Yes everyone knows it’s run by the Nazi Man. It’s not very constructive to fixate on that in a community where everyone is already of that opinion, because it turns the conversation into a circlejerk. Yes obviously people will upvote someone calling twitter a collection of Nazi bootlickers on Lemmy and I’m tired of that. Because it is virtue signaling is what it is and everyone who upvotes it is also taking part in that and feeling good about it for some weird reason. It’s not something people should do, because that’s not the constructive part of criticizing Twitter or Elon, it’s just the echo chamber part of it where nothing of importance happens, instead people who are part of it will spend their time with reinforcing eachother’s already pretty well reinforced ideas.

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                Lemmy loves a comforting circle jerk socially validating their self-righteousness. They also like rhetoric reminding us to punch Nazis, even though we know most of us are limp-wristed keyboard warriors just giving our justice boners sweet stimulation.

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              Throwing around the term nazi misdirectedly devalues the term/accusation/identifier Nazi and therefore helps actual nazis in need of being called out. Words have power and meaning.

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                This is gonna surprise you, but Nazis were a really large group full of lots of different people with different values and ideals. What unified them was their support and defense of the Nazi party.

                You have spent every comment in this thread defending Nazis.

                These are just simple facts.

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    Even worse, she receives a right to pee on the street, while if you were to pee there, you would’ve been fined