“We never USED to have to see gay people grumble grumble.”
Yeah because they were oppressed and underground! What the fuck, how simple can this get?
“I noticed that those other people exist and and are living their lives, so you must stop shoving them DoWn OuR ThRoAtS!!”
But these people think a good show is Last Man Standing where he dumps political commentary every episode and endlessly rips on his illegitimate grandson’s dad for not being manly, anti-Obama rhetoric, pro-military progun…
“We never USED to have to see gay people grumble grumble.”
You saw them, they just had to hide it in fear of threats, ridicule and abuse
'I didn’t mind the gays when they kept ‘em all in California…’
“I don’t mind gays so long as they don’t shove it down our throats all the time”
Says the guy who exclusively wears UA Freedom shirts and their personally revolves around maga hats/flags, thinblueline punisher skulls, and wE tHe PeOpLe
Someone needs to research the concept of Shudō…😂
Many warrior castes were VERY gay… haven’t they seen the movie 300!?
All those macho Klingons, packed on those Warbirds for years? You don’t think there’s been a little Slap & Tickle going on?
I can’t believe the people complaining about this. Have these people never met a gay soldier before?
They have, even if they think they haven’t.
The thing that gets me is that so many people are talking about a fucking KISS ON THE CHEEK.
But they aren’t talking about the fact that this Klingon guy is so different from other Klingons that he didnt want to participate in a hunt and shoot a bird??!
There are many things to complain about, but this gay relationship isn’t one of them 👏
These people aren’t watching the show, they’re just being outraged by the item of the day.
A GAY KLINGON? THATS OUTRAGEOUS!
{What’s a Klingon?}
You’re probably right! Anybody who’s watched it can tell the ratings dropped because it was a slow, relatively uninteresting episode. Not because of a few seconds of a non-straight relationship. 👏
Gay people: Exist and their relationships are depicted in media alongside straight ones, with the same emphasis
Dumb Motherfuckers: WHY ARE YOU MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF PEOPLE BEING GAY? STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
I wish someone would shove some gay down my throat.
It’s the free drugs argument all over again, the right wing promising us good times that never actually happen in real life
It’s like that thing where if a meeting has women talking for 20% of the time some men freak out about how it’s all women all the time.
They’re emotionally keyed up so it feels like a bigger deal, and they’re emotionally keyed up so they’re not going to rationally assess this. That’d assuming they’re acting in good faith to begin with, which is not a given.
I can’t tell you how tired I am of the privileged whining about how the onset of equality is discriminating against them.
They think they’re losing rights and freedoms when in reality they don’t have as many more rights as disenfranchised groups than they used to. It’s not a pie chart.
I was watching an anime this season that unexpectedly to me turned out to have a large gay subplot.All of the characters turned out to be gay men and they’re all infatuated with the main character.
I was surprised that I found that entire subplot and its associated scenes so incredibly tedious. It made me wonder whether gay people feel the same way watching straight romances.
I find almost all depictions of romance in fiction to be tedious, if not cringe. For me it’s less about the gender or number of participants and more about writers not knowing how to depict an authentic, realistic romance.
That being said, Academy’s depiction of Lura and Jett’s relationship is just right to me. I was skeptical about the show because all I hear from both sides of the political aisle is how bad it is, but it’s surprisingly good.
Personally, yeah usually. A poorly written sapphic romance can hold my interest, but a straight one has to have me really caring about the characters or finding the romance relatable (Sanderson is really good for that) in order for me to not be wanting it to hurry up and get back to the good stuff.
Its been a good season for the gay anime. It hasn’t bored me, but it has made me actively contrast and compare them with other anime, the same as you.
I watched the orphan black reboot. Pretty much all the women are lesbians. I think it was the only way to make the plot line work. But I’m like. … In the real world it’s just not THAT common.
I mean I laughed just cause it seemed like they had to make all the women gay to make the new story work with the previous story.
If you watch it you will get what I mean. I wasn’t bothered by it though. Just amused a bit. Never seen so many lesbians in a TV show like that.
They did do it well though. Didn’t stoop to using stereotypes or the masculine-fem pairing that is prevalent in gay media representation.
My gay friend says that cis producers can’t imagine genuine gay couples that don’t have a man-woman dynamic (mostly cause of cultural gender roles in a relationship ), So they always project this onto gay couples. I think he’s right about that.
The only ones shoving it down their throats is focks newz and their ilk. I used to be far more deeply engrained into internet culture and the only time I find out about all the travesty of wOkE mEdIa is because the right winger cultists not shutting the fuck up about it.
Wait, you’re telling me these SciFi Spartan analogs are GAY?!
When will the Woke end? Next you’re going to tell me the Trill are gender fluid!
Is that what those symbiotes are swimming in?
Proof that Sisko is straight as an arrow
Sisko was Curzons lover
Does someone have an issue with Jay’Den? I think he’s a great klingon. And who says he’s gay? He might be bi/poly like his dads.
Also his sexuality isn’t any more in your face than caleb and tarima and all their smooching.
People will seriously complain about anything won’t they?
I have an issue with him being named Jayden.
See, that is a fair critique. Maybe the house of kraag was watching some human millennial shows?
It must have been another reason, or he would have been named Jeigh-Den 🤷🏼♂️
I thought it was cheesy too NGL, but he’s a great character
They originally spelled it with a “G”, but changed it so the “gif” people wouldn’t say it wrong.
I really couldn’t care less about the whole gay aspect.
However, in my personal head-canon Jay-Den’s sensitivity and fear of public speaking doesn’t quite line up with how I imagine the mind and emotions of a full-blood Klingon would work. I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den. To me the character would make more sense if he was only part Klingon, like Alexander.
Then again, who’s to say to what extent stereotypical Klingon behaviour is defined culturally as opposed to genetically? I do think it’s interesting and refreshing to see a Klingon acting contrary to cultural norms and I do like the character. The only other Klingon character I can recall who wasn’t a full-blown warrior is that one scientist in TNG.
Everyone thinks all Orions are pirates but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
We already had this in the “exchange program” ep of TNG, when Riker goes on the Klingon ship they aren’t acting like Worf, especially the “Klingons do not laugh” bullshit.
It’s because Worf has a chip on his shoulder because of his human upbringing and his father not dying a warrior’s death
Guinan even specifically calls him out on that. “I’ve seen plenty of klingons laugh.” Feels like the only thing they do when the drink bloodwine is laugh and punch each other.
but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
Relevant comic:
Who exactly fixes the disruptor cannons or shields? Only Klingon chief I’ve seen is this one
I have a feeling that Worf never shut up because he was raised by humans, so he always felt like he had to prove himself as Klingon
I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den.
There was that one doctor klingon in Enterprise and also a lawyer klingon in a different episode of Enterprise. Not all klingons are hunters/predators. Some find honor in helping people.
As for Alexander I think he was so timid for a klingon because of his upbringing, not from his 1/4 human part.
Plus Worf’s ancestor the public defender in Undiscovered Country.
Didn’t you know? Everyone is straight, until they’re proven gay. And only women are allowed to be bi. /s
If the existence of a gay klingon is the worst day of your life, I can’t even begin to explain how good you must have it.
Did we ever see Gowron kiss a girl or talk about his wife? No? Gay. It just wasn’t a big deal, so they didn’t mention it.
He was seeking glory(holes)
So he could put a (susie)dent in them, for honor!
An obscure Cats Does Countdown reference in a Star Trek community and somehow people are getting it.
So that venn diagram has a larger cross over section than I’d have thought.
I mean, it’s referencing what many consider the joke of the entire series —though, an argument could be made for the “challenging wank”, or “and, come bin day”, IMHO. 😝
I love how it was just one of Jimmy’s regular type of throwaway lines as well. He wasn’t intending it to hit like that, but it being juxtaposed with Susie blew it up
Honestly, I think the real gold in that moment was Susie’s realization that she had no idea what that word meant. You can see it on her face: puzzlement and a pinch of wonder, but no shock at what he’d just had millions of people around the world envisioning. 😬🤣
What do you think made his eyes like that? Many shots didn’t show him below the waist.
Klingons should be like ancient earth warriors.
Totally gay
The Romans only considered it gay if you were a bottom. Romane eunt domus
People called “Romanes” they go the house!?!
It says “Romans go home”
HOW MANY ROMANS?!
That’s why they fucked little boys.
True. Fucking kids = totally hetero and normal then.
Please don’t quote me
I read it as Romulans and was very confused for a short while
Any group that idolizes something so much is definitely going to have sexual desires around it too.
It’s a super masculine race of warriors that has two of every organ, including that one, I mean …
Nobody saw that coming from the delta quadrant away?
Recently I’ve been considering learning about Warhammer 40k. I think the deep lore is cool and space marines are a neat concept. But apparently there’s this big issue about whether or not women can serve as space marines.
So I briefly looked into it and whether or not the issue is sexism based or lore based, and it seems to be somewhere in the middle, but definitely meta perpetuated by casual sexism. It feels very much like this comic.
Also feels like seeing an interesting box, looking in excitedly, realizing what’s inside and having my enthusiasm sucked out of the airlock, and just… Letting the box lid close and then walk away.
While there are toxic elements of the fandom and weird sexists who take things way too seriously, Warhammer 40K is the dog’s bollocks. Fuck anyone who wants to cry about lore accurate bullshit, the whole point of the setting is you get to make your own lore for your army and nobody gets to tell you if it’s right or wrong, your army is yours to do with as you please. GW has even made posts and statements specifically telling the chuds that they are wrong and to fuck off and that they don’t want them playing their game or involving themselves in the conversation.
(STOP READING. This is me in post, the next bit is just me jumping off the rails about my custom chapter. I’d delete it, but it actually helped me flesh out some stuff, it’s the first time I’ve put any of it into writing and got carried away. It’s bad. You’ve been warned. Read it in the voice of the narrator from Baki.)
My chapter takes all who can prove themselves worthy of having the blood of Sanguinius coursing through their veins and are willing to bear the mantle of… The Exploding Suns (suns… suns… suns…) to join them on their epic and calculated journey through a time loop to stop reality from splitting into a thousand pieces by an unseen warp manifested entity (or is it something more… familiar ?)shuffling the variables at every beginning and every end. Chapter Master Astraeus Aqua Forta and his benevolent partner, a warp born AI on her own mission to find out where she came from, the only conscious entity to hold the memory and knowledge of surviving intact through every loop, The All-Mother, lead The Exploding Suns across time tainted by time over and over again. Falling out of the rage that is the warp onto the empty desert of Baal, walking alone for what would be to others a lifetime, standing for the first time upon the visage of his only known home for hundreds of years… as a stranger… as a threat? Telling a tale to Dante, after years of confinement, which he had already seen as visions from the warp (How? Why? Who?). Taking on the seemingly impossible task of finding and rebuilding the chapter, witnessing the cruelty of depriving what could be a normal life from those he already loves and knew dealry, knowing they would die alongside him… this time… Seeing himself as a child and remembering how he was thrown ruthlessly, by his own hand, back through the warp, theough time, to continue this fool’s mission, depriving himself of the honor of dying alongside his brothers (as a rank, it’s the equivalent of private for space marines, I’m not gonna rewrite the army structure, I’m keeping that bit intact so that they can function without notice of non codex compliance among the greater imperium, they can’t risk exposure). Confronting the startling revelations of memories robbed from him ( By whom?) during his time in the sarcophagus. Suffocating in guilt, and fighting his own desire to end his suffering and struggle, and the doom he has wrought upon all who he traps within his(?) blind and unending crusade, he dreams, and with all that defines him tries to snap the chains of fate that bind him. But at what cost? Could it even be undone? Existing in that moment, has he already made the choice of damning himself to endless duty? Is freedom worth the price of all that is reality… Hoping to find an end, or stopping one from coming for as long as they can, will the endless turns of deciphering and unraveling the seemingly unending threads of time and destiny weave a tapestry of hope, a future beyond this crushing, endless past, or are they forever to stand stalwart against what would be the last deluge of destruction the universe will ever witness? Are they merely souls damned to die again and again, trapped in a hell known by the name of… purpose?
While they are stuck in a loop experiencing endless time time and time again, all-mother fuckers ain’t got no time for any Emperor damned misogynists or incels. My army is made up of men, women, trans folks, non-binary folks, and whoever doesn’t die in the sarcophagus, really. They will even work with xenos, they’re not heritics, but their mission is bigger than the Imperium, and perhaps even The Emperor. No matter who or what you are, they live and die for you, forever. If anyone wants to fight about it they’ll just throw an exterminatus at the fuckers or have Dante tell them to mind their own fucking business and cut all their dicks off if that isn’t something they already do to themselves, 40K is weird like that.
Edit: This is to everyone. Genuinely and earnestly, I am SO sorry. But, also, any criticisms of my story outline would be very much appreciated. If you read all of this nonsense then you’re nothing short of a saint.
40K. Not even once. (Colorado40KProject.org)
Edit II: Electric Boogaloo: Also, there are other armies that are way more inclusive than space marines. Aeldar, Tau, Orkz in their own way, the sisters of battle are all ladies unless you’re fucking rad, custodes, bit regardless of what you play you can make it as inclusive as you want. The only people that are going to complain you can just laugh put of the room.
Done now, honest. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
The lore in 40k only exists to get people to buy little plastic soldiers. People read about their plastic soldiers in the lore and they want to go buy them.
GW can and will change lore in order to generate a profit.
And yes the 40k lore can be really interesting.
This is a good starting point, can leave this playing in the background and see if it snags your interest.
Very, very, iirc, but likely one of the reasons women in 40k aren’t space marines is that they are genetically enhanced, as well as have multiple organs implanted. I would assume the whole gene splicing piece is probably the hangup.
Again iirc, they are pseudoclones of their primarchs who are pseudoclones of the big E.
I would assume a trans woman could be a space marine then? They probably would never know they were trans though, the life of males that eventually become space marines aren’t exactly ones with enough space for that kinda introspection just a constant struggle to survive in some of the most hellish places in the Imperium.
There are also the Adapteus Sororitas, plenty of women in the Imperial Guard, and honestly brutally bad ass women all over the 40k universe.
As just a casual observer, I’ve always understood that the space marines’ gender is space marine.
What about the gene splicing is inherently for “male” only? Because we’re getting into that sexist ignorance territory pretty immediately.
If you say "there has to be a Y chromosome, that is, outrageously silly and makes very little sense. But even if so, there are plenty of men who don’t have a Y chromosome and plenty of women who don’t.
If you say they become a clone of the emperor’s clones, it’s pretty easy to have a cross sex clone. It’s kind of how real life offspring take on genes from their parents and all kinds of outcomes occur, and offspring are still very much basically clones with minor mutations of their parents, with variations. Like if you said they were EXACT clones, like in Star wars, then sure. But they really aren’t, to my limited knowledge.
This just really feels like there not being enough representation in the same way in the 80s how “he” was the default pronoun for a subject. But a lot of people are like NUH UHH THAT MEANS THERE WERE ONLY WHITE MEN AND NO FEMALE AUTHORITY FIGURES which is insane. Like, imagine believing skin color in the vast universe meant anything. Or like throughout the countless planets and solar systems that only XY men of scandanavian descent that lived in similar UV and dietary and other stressor ecosystems were the strongest. Like, if anything, it would be people who settled and evolved in the harshest, and most competitive environments and ecosystems, not warm weather tall people who recently migrated to become pale and unhealthy but then became well fed.
It’s far more likely that to become a Space Marine, it’s not limited to any specific demographic, and it’s the best that whatever planet puts forth. And likely it’s like some other variation of brown skin, post-human evolution, a la every earth-human demographic breeding together and then 40,000 years later looking nothing like us.
Also, the battle sisters are about as token as an all black army. It’s fucked up.
It’s honestly likely similar to the custodes and just… Burly massive people who probably don’t even have any sort of genitals anymore because that doesn’t matter. Like imagine 40,000 years of breeding humans with og-batman bane levels of steroids. Like it just doesn’t matter anymore at that point.
I’d consider myself a “casual fan” of 40k, and I think there’s two important things to consider:
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As with most “outsider hobbies” being brought into the mainstream and examined with a broader lens, there’s always going to be pushback from various chud subgroups that feel like they’re the only ones who “earned it.” Fuck those people. Continuing to amplify their voices helps them push people away, which is bad for the hobby, bad for the community, and bad for the people they want to push down and away. Goofing around and coming up with your own silly little stories that trample over canon is half the fun. Fuck anyone who says otherwise, and double-fuck anybody who is willing to selectively apply canon only to reinforce their prejudices.
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I think it’s fair to say that space marines being explicitly cis-males is a natural narrative conclusion based on the context. A continuing narrative element in 40K is that everybody is awful. Just the worst. Like, beyond terrible. Anybody who unironically thinks they’re identifying with “the good guys” is missing the criticism that’s pointed right at them. The Imperium of man is a very heavy-handed caricature of the failings of european history. The Crusades, Nazi Germany, Organized Christianity (Particularly Catholics), hell imperialism is literally right there in the name. The God-Emperor of Mankind is a hypermasculine narcissist born in the middle east and destined to rule over all mankind. He hand-crafted 20 big, burly dude-bros to be his children (because that other guy only had 12 eyeroll). These primarchs then are the progenitors for their million man-children to explore the galaxy, and committing themselves to their greco-roman warrior ethos of committing genocide and naked oil wrestling. Is it really that hard to believe that sky-daddy space-hitler wouldn’t have enough misogyny in him to code out a “no girls allowed” sign into his magic cummies to make sure that no ladies can interrupt the volleyball montages?
The usual gotcha question chuds like to ask in response to female space marines is “So you think the sororitas should have dudes?” I posit that the correct question is "you think there should be more women in the Village People?
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Hell yeah.
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(Awaiting…)
i had such big feels that i stopped for dinner in the middle, lol.
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A warrior’s sexuality!
The only problem I have with Jay’Den is his name sounds like one of those stereotype white names, Jaiden. And its purely because memes have blasted those names out of resonability for me. Okaiden.
So, you’re saying those names don’t echo through your mind? 🤔
