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“why did you block me we’re trying to have a debate”
“because i want to shitpost about doctor who on twitter not debate some random dick about how they think i shouldn’t exist”
Why is this marked as nsfw?
because some users on here are triggered by PCC and are dealing with feelings of inferiority and have contempt for an artist that refuses to put up with their bullshit.
ironically, it’s pretty much this comic.
Or people don’t want to see stuff from someone who threatens people with litigation for making fun of their comics
Always crickets when it comes to legitimate criticism that doesn’t align with their belief that the only reason anyone could ever possibly dislike pizzacake is because she’s a woman.
I’ve only seen this artist reposted on lemmy and never knew the first thing about her other than her comics being pretty bland and art unimpressive despite being frequently posted, what is going on with all these people white knighting for her?? If you like her, cool. If you don’t like her, also cool?? What is the problem here??
The closest thing to “harassing” I’ve witnessed is of those with fairly reasonable criticism of the comic presented to us, accusing them of harassing an artist that isn’t even on this platform.
Can you give me a quick overview of the situation?
Do you remember when Star Wars Episode 7 came out and droves of people had very serious and legitimate criticisms of Rey being a Mary Sue not clearly motivated by Rey and Finn being women and black “DEI hires”? Because I do.
Harassment is a bit more complicated than whether the criticisms seem legitimate or not. Another example: “forced bussing” was an argument republicans invented years ago to appeal to racists who were no longer allowed to say the n-word publically. But that argument was really about “safety,” of course, obviously.
What does this have to do with Pizzacake? I dunno. I do know that posting a comic of hers is a remarkably effective way of getting lemmy’s beehive to start buzzing.
Is it? I’ve never seen this before and seen lots of this artist’s comics posted here. It does seem it’s just as much one side as it is the other though.
Also I understand the concept of
fear mongeringveiled bigotry. That doesn’t even remotely appear to be what is happening here and, not to be overly pearl clutch-y, but as somebody with intimate knowledge of this history I honestly find the comparison to the civil rights era insulting. People expressing their dislike of an artist with questionable behavior on the internet is not the same thing as politicians in the real world using fear tactics as a fig leaf for their racist goals of preventing black people from fully integrating into american society.I understand you mean well but this doesn’t really answer for me why the defensiveness is so over the top.
Does your intimate knowledge of the civil rights era include how people use issues in euphemism to lie about what actually motivates them? You know, the whole reason I even brought up that example.
I’ve never seen this before
That doesn’t even remotely appear to be what is happening here
Okay, realize for a moment that the fig leaf strategy is specifically meant to capture people like you. I know it doesn’t seem that way; that’s the point of them hiding their intent. I’m not critiquing their points, I’m asking why they’re spending so much energy on this. I’ve seen lots of comics I don’t like. I scroll past them.
Here’s a question: Gamergate. Was Anita Sarkeesian really that bad a journalist? Or did people hyper-fixate on her shortcomings for months longer than necessary as a way of damaging the reputations of her and feminism broadly?
You and I both know now, today, that gamergate was bullshit. But did people—maybe you’re very special, but I don’t mean you, I mean people—know back then that “ethics in games journalism” is not really what those people were upset about? Because I don’t know if you remember, but gamergate was pretty popular for a while.
this doesn’t really answer for me why the defensiveness is so over the top
I think they’re attacking a woman they don’t like. That’s in the subtext of my other comment.
Uh, they spent the small amount of energy it takes to leave a few comments on the internet because the same painfully unfunny comic strip keeps coming up in their feed and they don’t understand where the popularity comes from? That’s why I’m here at least. Lemmy is still relatively small, I don’t get that many posts to interact with. If it’s so much energy to spend, then I’m fundamentally asking the same question as you. Why are these people spending so much of their energy defending her?
I don’t see why it has to be anything more than that and I really don’t appreciate the condescension, to suggest that I’ve fallen for some rhetorical manipulation that you think you’re somehow immune from. Yes, I was also here on the internet when those things were happening. It’s not that I don’t understand it, it’s that this is not that. There are legitimate reasons to dislike this person and their comics.
Do you really think that being annoying like this; suggesting that any and all criticism towards any woman on the internet simply must be based on her gender; is going to dispel negative attention from actual sexists? Do you really think that you aren’t gonna get a lot of false positives, from people simply expressing their legitimate criticisms on a platform specifically made for the purpose, and push those people away from whatever your message is by presuming to know what they are thinking and aggressively using that to condescend to them and dismiss anything they have to say?
Also yes, it was very obvious even to the least politically engaged person that gamergate was about sexism. Yes, even as it was happening. That’s like the whole reason people took part in it. They knew what they were doing just as well as the people calling them on it and were pretty open about their sexism. They weren’t career politicians trying to pander to a racist base without sparking major backlash, so they could quietly pass laws to prevent integration; they were gamers having their little boys club on the internet, being flagrantly sexist and bad faith. What even is this line of reasoning??
If you like this person as an artist and identify with the comic you can just say that and engage normally, if you don’t then why would you go out of your way to defend them and suggest that their gender has anything to do with it? You don’t have to keep explaining the same point, I know what you’re saying and I disagree.
You’re hilarious.
how can anyone dislike pizzacake, especially on leftist lemmy?
It’s low hanging fruit, that’s why. My reaction to most of her content is “no shit”
Also, her art style is just incredibly bland and uninteresting.
that’s one way to say you haven’t seen many of her comics
Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
Why did you tag NSFW
Not Safe For Wombats. They get riled easily.
I’ve never blocked anyone. 14 years of reddit and now Lemmy and there has never been a reason to. I find it weird when people do it.
I get it if someone is harrasing you, but an anonymous disagreement? Meh, whatever. If I am done I just quit responding and move on.
I suppose being online since the 80’s gives you a little bit of perspective. Don’t feed the trolls, everyone is a liar, and nothing anyone says matters unless you want it to.
And never use social media.
Honestly I’ve come around on pizzacake. I now think it’s actually an impressive artistic feat to make a successful webcomic where your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman.
It’s like social commentary on social commentary, wrapped in countless layers of irony and meta, right?
Every time I see this comic I think “you totally had a confrontation you fumbled, then came up with a response a week later and made a comic to ‘own’ someone”.
You’re onto something here
I also just generally like the Mary Sue nature of drawing yourself into your own comics and making yourself look good under all circumstances. It really communicates a lack of narcissism and arrogance.
I like how you sarcasm.
your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman
Y’all gonna pretend the person in the comic isn’t real? I’ve seen comments of that exact nature discussing people who block others before bruh, find a legitimate comic to post this on next time
That’s fair criticism. In the comic at hand, you’re right, they’re not a non-existent strawman, as this strawman does exist. The apt critique for this specific comic is more about how blaringly obvious the conclusion that is being presented as revelatory is, so I shouldn’t have used the word “non-existent” in this specific critique. Very fair, cheers.
edit: typo
Well, same way Stormtroopers wear helmets. You can’t really individualize them or people start to appreciate them and root for them, like they do every villain.
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You will notice that it was not pizzacake that posted this.
Also I think we need a reset if we’re at the point where critiquing and criticizing media is suddenly “being butthurt.”
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Pot/Kettle much? You haven’t even engaged with my criticism, since I never once have called pizzacake’s comics either “crazy” or “irrelevant” or any synonym thereof; if anything they’re too pedestrian and “low-hanging fruit,” the exact opposite of those critiques.
And you see, this right here is why some of us don’t want pizzacake’s bullshit here; it is seemingly impossible for people to engage with criticism of them honestly, for some unknown reason.
I have never once sought out a pizzacake comic to shit on. I have never once criticized pizzacake for anything outside the content of the art she has personally entered into the public square or her conduct in relation to said art. All I have ever done is engage with the art brought into the public square for consideration. This is c/comicstrips, not c/comicstripsycophantry, ostensibly a community for the discussion and consideration of this media form, not just a place for empty yes-manning.
So as for you, feel free to take your own advice and just block me if you find my content distasteful, but as for your assertion, you can kindly fuck right off with that.
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You aren’t even using that term right; I’m not asking for you to engage me in shit, nor am I feigning civility as I’ve been pretty clearly aggressive in my stance and told you to fuck off. Again, enormous pot/kettle projection. But hey, I’ll save us both the trouble and do the blocking for you. 👍
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So I’m fully expecting a big reaction given how much of a reaction this comic always provokes, I’m not a huge fan of pizzacake’s art style or the whole negativity around it but I also haven’t found a way to just filter it out without blocking the whole instance. I’m not attacking anyone though, you keep on enjoying this if you like, I’m just putting my thoughts out and I might just be missing an option.
Tell me about it. I don’t need this bland-millenial-shouting-about-their-extremely-standard-lives fodder.
I blocked her on reddit and it was good for a while.
But now people are reposting here :<
Yup I’m in agreement. Yes this is the comic strip sub, but this literally offers nothing of entertainment or comedy value at all. Plus why tf is this marked NSFW??? In reference to your question maybe block the User?
As the OP mentioned, this is the 1st time they posted this artist. If there was a single dedicated account posting PC comics, that would work, but not in this context.
Comic makes the exact same point as OPs but some how does it a thousand times better
Why is this nsfw?
Try blocking your boss and see how it goes
I was really hoping that these terrible PizzaCake comics would stay on reddit. Every single one of her comics is like this. There’s no punchline. It’s just self-righteous whining one way or another. Her whole shtick on reddit is angering people in the comments and then making a comic about them. Literally every single comic. I’ve got a few thousand webcomics saved and none by her for a reason.
Edit: Actually, this comic kind of perfectly sums up everything I hate about her. She’s denying the dude a platform by… essentially giving him a platform. “You don’t bother me so much that I made a whole comic about you and how you don’t bother me and I don’t owe you anything.” It’s performative for the sake of attention. There’s no content to this, just narcissism.
As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It’s not that I disagree with them, they’re just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
Until these comments I didn’t know there was any drama around PizzaCake but goddamn this comic … content, its content.
I’m not even sure this counts as drama. These people are addicted to wallowing in negativity. Gives me r/questionablecontent vibes, a subreddit about a webcomic where people purport to hate it but continue reading it every day just so they can get mad about it.
Like, I strongly dislike the Far Side, but despite how frequently it gets upvoted I don’t go into every comment section to talk about why. I just blocked the sub and scroll past it when it shows up in other subs. The behavior in these threads is pathetic.
Why on earth would you hate the Far Side?
The art is awful and the jokes are either literal nonsense or annoyingly simple. Same kinda stuff being said in this thread. Same reasons anyone dislikes a comic. Just doesn’t resonate. I can’t say why people decide some stupid shit works for them and other stupid shit doesn’t.
It’s definitely absurd, that’s very much the point.
And that’s the punchline
wait, people hate Questionable Content? fucking why?
It became too “woke” compared to its early days (IDK why people who complain about that kind of thing ever read it, it never catered to rightwingers).
Hate is a strong word, but it wasn’t really that interesting after a while.
I can’t really make an argument against that, considering that I stopped reading it years ago. Although I’ll deflect blame and say that was due to my rss reader of choice being killed (google reader), so I stopped reading webcomics in general about that time.
I can understand why people might not like it. In effect, it’s a sitcom with a gimmick, and there’s tons of those on television (I actively despise all of them). I’ll defend questionable content though because it has a setting and cast of characters that I’ve become invested in. However, I can see what it is, and I understand that it’s not for everyone.
However, however, CONTEXT, specifically this conversation. People are allegedly hating on Jeph Jacques over on /r/questionablecontent just as hard as people are hating on pzzacake here. And to that I reiterate: fucking why?
edit: it helps if I do words in the right order.
That’s a valid opinion. Really doesn’t explain the hate-readers, though.
Maybe people just got sick of seeing it posted? I’d never actively seek out a Pizzacake comic, but I do point out the many shortcomings when they show up here.
They could have blocked the sub instead of commenting every day and harassing the separate QC-sub that actually liked the comic. In contrast to Lemmy, on Reddit it’s actually really easy to block comics you don’t like, because they were usually posted to their own subs (and possibly even by a separate user, sometimes even the creator themselves like the Extra Fabulous guy) instead of a general sub/community like c/comicstrips.
In that case, I have no idea.
I block people who use insults and name-calling instead of conversation. Don’t need that shit.
Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
the basic and long forgotten sloga. Of “don’t feed the trolls”
I accept opinions other than my own, but if there is no sincere commitment from the other, why bother. Don’t feed the trolls.
We really should have never moved from that mindset. Now it is people rage baiting with actual trauma for money or the love of the game. 🥲
I don’t think that’s 100% true though. I’ve changed my mind several times but these talks needs both parties to argue in good faith not just throwing stones at each other.
The main issue with main areas where this happens is because the communication tools are incredibly limited on purpose. Its impossible to have a conversation on Instagram, twitter or tiktok or even Facebook comments. And that’s done on purpose - isn’t that crazy?
on the other hand, I generally really like discussions on hacker news because everyone at least pretends to approach in good faith and the discussion culture is quite professional. There are several small communities on the web that function this way and it really works!
That’s not true.
…On the other hand, I largely feel it’s not worth any effort unless its a passion/niche, where one has an outsized effect.
The irony of THIS comic is, you could apply that argument to every single opinion in existence.
The online comment context and usage of “Why won’t you debate, are you scared” suggests the response is directed at online trolls, people who argue in bad faith, and imperiously demand rigourous debate without offering the same let alone an ounce of intellectual generosity, i.e. sealioning. In contrast, something like a movie review is a structured evaluation is still an opinion, but it doesn’t deride readers for not engaging with it.
I DON’T OWE YOU AN AUDIENCE FOR YOUR ANNOYING BULLSHIT
